Half Ton Trucks & Brakes

   / Half Ton Trucks & Brakes #21  
The 1/2 ton brakes on everything are 100% better than they were only a few years ago..However, this really shouldn't matter much if the trailer brakes are being used correctly...I used to pull a 32' TT with a '91 and '97 Chevy SB reg cab 4x4 and never had a towing or stopping problem and I'll be honest, those weren't the best braking years for GM.

The trailer should be doing a fair amount of the brake work, not the truck.
 
   / Half Ton Trucks & Brakes #22  
The 1/2 ton brakes on everything are 100% better than they were only a few years ago..However, this really shouldn't matter much if the trailer brakes are being used correctly...I used to pull a 32' TT with a '91 and '97 Chevy SB reg cab 4x4 and never had a towing or stopping problem and I'll be honest, those weren't the best braking years for GM.

The trailer should be doing a fair amount of the brake work, not the truck.

The OP is questioning new trucks with tow rating which have grown to 11-12,000 lbs which I am betting is quite a bit more than those Chevy's you had. One must factor in that trailer brakes can fail and even when they work, they are not that strong. Then, add in a mountain range and the heat that needs to dissipated. Not saying they aren't designed and capable but wouldn't go as far as saying it shouldn't matter.
 
   / Half Ton Trucks & Brakes #23  
I agree that light pickup brakes are pretty good and lots better than just a few years ago. But will share my experience as it may be helpful to others.

Last year I towed a 8600 lb load (equipment trailer and small backhoe) from Virginia to California, with a 2012 F150 4WD Supercrew. I had good new brakes on both trailer axles (16 inch 8 lug rims so decent sized brakes). I adjusted them myself before the trip. I spent time getting the brake controller set right with the full load. Twice on the trip I had to brake hard to avoid a situation on the highway, and the trailer tires smoked, so I am pretty sure the trailer brakes were doing as much as they could. The load was within the pickup's tow rating.

There were two long down grades on the Interstate 10 route. From Flagstaff to Needles you lose 7000 ft in a morning's drive with some steep sections. Then again the same day, from Barstow to Bakersfield, you lose 2000 ft in a couple hours with some steep sections. I used the tow haul mode which downshifts the transmission pretty aggressively to increase compression braking. And I am a conservative driver, I was under the speed limit.

It didn't seem to me that I was leaning on the brake pedal particularly hard, but at rest stops along these grades the trailer brakes were hot and smelling, ditto the truck. By the end of that day the front rotors were warped, I could feel the brakes pulsating. It wasn't too bad, I lived with the warped rotors until 35k miles.

At that time I brought the pickup into the dealership to get things attended to before the 36k warranty ended. The service manager fixed the brakes under warranty. He said the front rotors were warped and grooved, and the pads were cracked, flaking, and even looked a bit melted in a couple places.

My conclusion was that, as good as the brakes are, they are not quite as robust as they should be to match the pickup's rated towing capability under heavy use.
 
   / Half Ton Trucks & Brakes #24  
I've found newer vehicles... at least gasser just don't have the compression braking like before.

It's like most vehicles almost freewheel.

My friend has an old Model AA 1 1/2 ton 12' flat bed with a four speed. He actually used it for hauling rolls of carpet for his business..

That little 200 ci motor had excellent compression braking... it was so good that you could get yourself in trouble if you missed a shift and had to rely on the brakes...

My old 68 3/4 ton with floating rear axle and split rims had superb compression braking also...

Live on a very steep 1 mile road and folks typically go through brakes here in a year...
 
   / Half Ton Trucks & Brakes #25  
Night and day difference. My 2012 Eco Boost has brakes equivalent or better than my 06 F350.

Everything about the 1/2 tons of today are on par or better than the 3/4 tons of 10 years ago.

Chris

I went from a 1998 F250 to a 2012 F150 and everything about the new truck is A LOT better. More power, smaller engine, better fuel economy, better, more payload, heavier towing and BETTER BRAKES!!!! It's not just a little better, it's like night and day better.

Eddie
 
   / Half Ton Trucks & Brakes #26  
I've found newer vehicles... at least gasser just don't have the compression braking like before.

It's like most vehicles almost freewheel.

My friend has an old Model AA 1 1/2 ton 12' flat bed with a four speed. He actually used it for hauling rolls of carpet for his business..

That little 200 ci motor had excellent compression braking... it was so good that you could get yourself in trouble if you missed a shift and had to rely on the brakes...

My old 68 3/4 ton with floating rear axle and split rims had superb compression braking also...

Live on a very steep 1 mile road and folks typically go through brakes here in a year...

I think these newer vehicles with a auto don't hold back like a older vehicle because of fuel mileage. They want them to roll off the hilld and burn brakes up to save .001MPG. I think a engine with a long stroke like the Model AA will hold back better than a engine with a short stroke.
 
   / Half Ton Trucks & Brakes #27  
The new GM trucks have "tow/haul" mode,hill decent ,manual function for the transmission.All these help with controlling what -ever you are hauling.
 
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#28  
Pat - Thank you for sharing your cross country towing experience with a newer F150. .....Gary
 
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#29  
The OP is questioning new trucks with tow rating which have grown to 11-12,000 lbs which I am betting is quite a bit more than those Chevy's you had. One must factor in that trailer brakes can fail and even when they work, they are not that strong. Then, add in a mountain range and the heat that needs to dissipated. Not saying they aren't designed and capable but wouldn't go as far as saying it shouldn't matter.

Yes. This was the reason for my original question as these newer 1/2 ton trucks will continue to blur the lines that 3/4 and 1 ton trucks use to hold in towing capability. Smaller diesel engines will have the tow capability with fuel efficiency which is a good thing but if the rest of the truck isn't up to the weight behind the truck it makes no sense.
 
   / Half Ton Trucks & Brakes #30  
I like reading first hand experience knowing the day will come when my 85 and 91 will need to be replaced.

All I can say is it looks like it is good I've been patient with all the praise for the new models.

Don't put a lot of miles on them like you guys... both are around 170k miles each... no problems other than one expensive transmission repair.

Never been a Chevrolet person... although, they have both provided excellent service... except I'm too cheap to convert the A/C
 

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