Handgun for arthritis

[Soundguy]

Not sure why you think 22 is better then 25.

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Ahh.. never mind... I can see from that single statement that you have no business being in a gun discussion!

Terminal balistics for a 25 ACP, are across the board, lower than 22lr

25 ACP

35 gr (2 g) Safety 1,100 ft/s (340 m/s) 94 ftｷlbf (127 J)
35 gr (2 g) JHP 900 ft/s (270 m/s) 63 ftｷlbf (85 J)
45 gr (3 g) JHP 815 ft/s (248 m/s) 66 ftｷlbf (89 J)
50 gr (3 g) FMJ 760 ft/s (230 m/s) 65 ftｷlbf (88 J)

22LR

40 gr. (2.6 g) Solid[2] 1,200 ft/s (370 m/s) 104 ftｷlbf (141 J)
38 gr. (2.5 g) Copper-plated HP[2] 1,260 ft/s (380 m/s) 134 ftｷlbf (182 J)
32 gr. (2.1 g) Copper-plated HP[2] 1,430 ft/s (440 m/s) 141 ftｷlbf (191 J)
31 gr. (2.0 g) Copper-plated RN[3] 1,750 ft/s (530 m/s) 204 ftｷlbf (277 J)
30 gr. (1.9 g) Copper-plated HP[3] 1,640 ft/s (500 m/s) 191 ftｷlbf (259 J)


The lowest ft# for 25 acp is a dismal 63. the lowest for 22lr is 134. In case you are bad on math, that means that on the low end, a 22lr is more than twice as energetic as a 25 acp. On the upper end numbers, 94 for 25acp, and 204 for 22lr. again.. more than twice as much energy from a 22lr.

The numbers don't lie!

 

[kenacp]

Ahh.. never mind... I can see from that single statement that you have no business being in a gun discussion!

Terminal balistics for a 25 ACP, are across the board, lower than 22lr

25 ACP

35 gr (2 g) Safety 1,100 ft/s (340 m/s) 94 ftｷlbf (127 J)
35 gr (2 g) JHP 900 ft/s (270 m/s) 63 ftｷlbf (85 J)
45 gr (3 g) JHP 815 ft/s (248 m/s) 66 ftｷlbf (89 J)
50 gr (3 g) FMJ 760 ft/s (230 m/s) 65 ftｷlbf (88 J)

22LR

40 gr. (2.6 g) Solid[2] 1,200 ft/s (370 m/s) 104 ftｷlbf (141 J)
38 gr. (2.5 g) Copper-plated HP[2] 1,260 ft/s (380 m/s) 134 ftｷlbf (182 J)
32 gr. (2.1 g) Copper-plated HP[2] 1,430 ft/s (440 m/s) 141 ftｷlbf (191 J)
31 gr. (2.0 g) Copper-plated RN[3] 1,750 ft/s (530 m/s) 204 ftｷlbf (277 J)
30 gr. (1.9 g) Copper-plated HP[3] 1,640 ft/s (500 m/s) 191 ftｷlbf (259 J)


The lowest ft# for 25 acp is a dismal 63. the lowest for 22lr is 134. In case you are bad on math, that means that on the low end, a 22lr is more than twice as energetic as a 25 acp. On the upper end numbers, 94 for 25acp, and 204 for 22lr. again.. more than twice as much energy from a 22lr.

The numbers don't lie!

souNdguy--- I think you may have to rethink those numbers on the 22lr. They are based on 18" barrel length. If you were to plug into a ballistic calculator using a comparable 2" barrel, it may look a little different.

 

[dragoneggs]

Hey Gents... let's try to stick to the subject for the OP's sake. Can always start another thread! :duh:

 

[Sigarms]

Here is the deal... If the OP wants to try something else, HE has to try it first. NONE of us know his physical attributes due do his condition and the only way the OP will know what gun is the best for him due to his condition is for him to TRY it first.

I do think as mentioned, the issue at hand (no pund intended) should be addressed first, the gun issue second.

That said, I carried a 1911 for 10 years. Would not be my first suggestion due to the situation. Have no qualms with suggesting a .22LR for 2 legged critters, but I don't think it's the caliber that is the most important factor, as compared to actually actioning the firearm and shooting it per the trigger length, pull and weight.

Personally, if I was worried about big critters as the OP mentioned, I'd be leaning towards a pump rifle of some sort or hope his smith can make the ruger work.

 

[Soundguy]

souNdguy--- I think you may have to rethink those numbers on the 22lr. They are based on 18" barrel length. If you were to plug into a ballistic calculator using a comparable 2" barrel, it may look a little different.

Dont have to rethink anything, 22lr is beating 25acp by a factor of 2+

Sure a shorter barrel will deplete most of the bonus, but not all.

What do you hear about 25acp shootings? Outpatient removal of bullet from under skin.

22lr is a quite proven lethal round. You dont see them killing gators, hogs and cattle with 25acp...22lr? Yes.

There is a reason for that.

The BC I used has 22lr coming out about 9-10% higher fps and ft# higher.

Doubt I would use a 2"22lr, more like 6". I'll go check those #'s

Much as I thought, at 6" you are back to almost that x2 factor of ft#.

Ps, extrapolating out 25acp to 18", the best 2 performance projectiles can make about 103-120 ft#, vs 192-204 of the 22lr

So there you go.. 18" bbl, 25acp, its best 2 vs 22lr and its best 2..

What did we find.. Almost 2x factor.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[MossRoad]

Doubt I would use a 2"22lr,

We've got a 9 shot Hi Standard revolver with 2" barrel. Its got both the LR and magnum cylinders.

Run the numbers comparing 25 to 22WMR. That would be fun.

 

[MossRoad]

Here's a nice article on .22WMR as a defensive round. It mentions less recoil for people with arthritis, too, VS larger rounds. Well written article.

American Rifleman | The .22 Magnum for Self-Defense

 

[Soundguy]

Looking at 25acp on the longer bbls, its obvious it hardly benefits any if at all, its powder burns out and if its still in the bbl when powder is depleted, then pressure is dropping, and any travel of the bullet In the bore is just drag at that point.

 

[Zerk]

Ahh.. never mind... I can see from that single statement that you have no business being in a gun discussion!

Terminal balistics for a 25 ACP, are across the board, lower than 22lr

25 ACP

35 gr (2 g) Safety 1,100 ft/s (340 m/s) 94 ftｷlbf (127 J)
35 gr (2 g) JHP 900 ft/s (270 m/s) 63 ftｷlbf (85 J)
45 gr (3 g) JHP 815 ft/s (248 m/s) 66 ftｷlbf (89 J)
50 gr (3 g) FMJ 760 ft/s (230 m/s) 65 ftｷlbf (88 J)

22LR

40 gr. (2.6 g) Solid[2] 1,200 ft/s (370 m/s) 104 ftｷlbf (141 J)
38 gr. (2.5 g) Copper-plated HP[2] 1,260 ft/s (380 m/s) 134 ftｷlbf (182 J)
32 gr. (2.1 g) Copper-plated HP[2] 1,430 ft/s (440 m/s) 141 ftｷlbf (191 J)
31 gr. (2.0 g) Copper-plated RN[3] 1,750 ft/s (530 m/s) 204 ftｷlbf (277 J)
30 gr. (1.9 g) Copper-plated HP[3] 1,640 ft/s (500 m/s) 191 ftｷlbf (259 J)


The lowest ft# for 25 acp is a dismal 63. the lowest for 22lr is 134. In case you are bad on math, that means that on the low end, a 22lr is more than twice as energetic as a 25 acp. On the upper end numbers, 94 for 25acp, and 204 for 22lr. again.. more than twice as much energy from a 22lr.

The numbers don't lie!

I am not familsrbwith25acp. But I hand load and spend a lot of time reading manuals.

I am by no means any expert. But to a say I can not partake in the discussion. When I have loaded thousands, studied trajectory, is arrogance on your part. Again I am a novice. But I think can talk on some forum, with a guy who likes 22lr, because he doesn't want to admit his wife is under gunned because she is scared, or you are, is bs.

I hope your wife has time to keep pulling the trigger. I hope she is calm. I hope the guy isn't full of drugs. I hope he doesn't have a heavy coat on.

 

[Zerk]

Also I am not advocating any rim fire for self defense. Other then better then nothing. Unless zombies or political up risings. Even I debate stopping power over quanity.