Has Anyone Contracted Building Their Home?

   / Has Anyone Contracted Building Their Home? #21  
<font color=blue>If you are looking for a good, honest contractor go to your local lumber yards and see who they would recommend. </font color=blue>

Jim,

The largest lumber yard in the western Chicago area is F.E. Wheaton Lumber. Prices are great there and they cater to the contractor and professional framer. They might have some good references.
 
   / Has Anyone Contracted Building Their Home? #22  
FJT Studs are sometimes more expensive than a standard stud. They are considered 'engineered lumber' and do provide advantages as Argee mentioned. My limited experience has been that 'usually' you get fewer unusable boards with finger-jointed studs than with standard studs, however this is not 'always ' the case.

Now you have 4 cents worth! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Has Anyone Contracted Building Their Home? #23  
Jim,

I am currently trying to finish up my first home that I have built acting as the GC. It definitely has its advantages and disadvantages. It is my opinion that the advantages easily outweigh the disadvantages.

Things to consider: To do the 'GC' job right, you need to be on the jobsite on a regular basis. This meant, for me, taking time off work to be at the house during critical stages of construction. Sub-contractors can make or break you, not only financially, but with quality of work and scheduling. My experience has been that for the most part they do the work quickly, but often at the sacrifice of quality. So if you want quality work done everywhere, not just what you can see, you need to be present to oversee your subs. If you are fortunate you can find quality subs that you can trust which takes a big load off of your shoulders as far as trying to oversee all the details. Unfortunately, they are hard to find. Also, just because a sub bids a higher price does not guaranty higher quality.

(Soapbox in place) My biggest complaint about soceity today is the lack of pride in workmanship. It does not take much longer to nail a board straight than it does to nail it crooked. If a craftsman gets in the habit of doing good work, he can do it just as quickly as someone doing shotty work and probably not have to go back and correct mistakes. The other things you see is the 'pass the buck' mentality in the sense that the framer says, well this will be covered by drywallers, the drywallers say this will be covered by the tape/bed, tape/bed guys say, the painter will handle that, etc. Anyway... (off soapbox)

Out of all the subs I have used so far, which includes, concrete, plumber, framer, roofer, electrician, drywaller, tape/bed/texture sub, trim carpenter, painter, siding sub, and brick layer, I would only highly recommend the roofer, siding guy, and the brick layer. I would probably use the concrete, plumber, drywaller, tape/bed/texture and trim carpenters again because there costs were low enough that the areas they were less than perfect in were very few and not real critical. Probably would not use the same framer, and definitely use another painter.

Just FYI, the framer only did the roof construction and set my windows and exterior doors. My dad and I framed the first and second floors up to the top plate. We, of course, were very meticulous but slow. I hired the framer to finish out the framing, and he did it quick enough but his use of material was very inefficient and I had to order more lumber than was originally planned and his crew was not quality conscious at all. This was all very frustrating beacause of the type work we did on the lower part of the house.

Overall, though I have learned a lot and would not hesitate to do it again, besides, lesson learned would make for a smoother process the next time around. The amount of savings and value that you have built in is almost staggering. I estimate I will have 100k dollars of sweat equity built in not to mention other money put down from selling my current home.

So I would recommend it, just go in with your eyes open, expect some things not to go so smoothly, expect to spend a lot of time on the jobsite, get some tractor time, and enjoy the fruit of your accomplishments. Inserts cliches here: 'Nothing ventured, nothing gained!', 'No pain, no gain!', 'If it was easy everyone would do it, be different!' /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

P.S. My house is 5 bdrm, 3 bth, 2 car garage, two story, 10 ft. and a few 9 ft. ceilings, 3550 sq. ft under roof, about 3050 living sq. ft. If you can, build a little samller the first time around, build 8 ft. ceilings it will make you task much more bareable. I have 5 kids and needed the extra room. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Hope that helps!
 
   / Has Anyone Contracted Building Their Home? #24  
FJT studs, like Sam said, can have a higher percentage of usable boards. But the quality of the std dimensional lumber can more then offset this. We had very, very low amounts of unusable studs from our house. The framers set aside many of those pieces and used them for temporary bracing and utilized them for corner nailers and other small miscellaneous uses. The framers were great at minimizing wood scrap and did not offset that savings by spending inordinates amount of time, they were just used to doing things that way.

The other factor that helped is the lumber company (another plug for FE Wheaton) would come back and pick up any unused materials and issue a credit for them. Any unusable pieces would get sent back and we were credited for them.
 
   / Has Anyone Contracted Building Their Home? #25  
Argee, TxSam, and others,
The fjs's I saw were bad. Joints were offset and not flush. I have seen other finger joint materials that got wet and fell apart because, I might assume, do not use moisture resistant glue. When was the last time you saw a complete house get framed and not at least get rained on once? I know there might be a place for engineered lumber and the new "I" beam joists, but I'm from the old school. Give me good old dimensioned lumber and plywood. The jury is still out on wafer board. And I wouldn't give you 2 cents for anything made out of MDF.

Rod
 
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Dave is right - the cost ranges from $50K to $100K, depending the level of insanity of the quoting GC.
 
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Thanks Dave - I'll check them out. I remember visiting them once when we first moved here - it was one of the few times our old dog had ever experienced thunder and lightning (we moved home from CA) and he went through an old stockade fence trying to get away. FE Wheaton didn't have the old style pickets, but they pointed me to someone who did. They were nice people.

Jim
 
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To everyone who has responded, "Thank You!" I have taken your comments to heart. I've purchased a couple of books on the subject, I'll be visiting F.E. Wheaton Lumber, and watching for the "train of good subs." This information - both warnings and encouragement, means a lot to me. Thanks a lot!

Jim
 
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Sam:

Thanks for the detailed note. I have a question though ... I think you said you did 9' an 10' ceilings because you have 5 youngsters and you need the room. Are some of them teens? Is the extra ceiling height for when you hit the roof?

;-)

Jim
 
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The 9' and 10' ceilings probably make it easier to play sports indoors... /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 

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