Have a little question

[Wingit]

Hello folks,

I love the site; it looks like a lot of good information on repairs/mods/equipment. I’ve been doing a lot of searching and think I know what I would like to get. But first

Just a little information on what I will be using my tractor when I get it, I have 10 acres, 3 which are clear and I'm living on. I have about 4 that needs to be bush hogged with some tree clearing a barn to remove and level for new building. I have 600' driveway that has a ditch on each side that needs to be cleaned up and the driveway fixed. Plus a host of other things it will be used for. This is what I'm leaning to:

Jinma 284, 304 but if the prices is right 354. loader/backhoe, bush hog, post hole digger and or package deal with trailer. I have been trying to get dealers to respond with basic information to emails but know one seams to be interested other then wanting me to call. At this point in my search I'm using the internet to find what I want and emailing for basic information and price. What price range would I be in with the item I'm looking for? I’m planning on making a purchase when I get back home from offshore.

Thanks

 

[ToolManRick]

There are many dealers who use this forum, so I'm going to suggest you fill out your profile with a general location of where you live.

I have 13 acres, wooded, long driveway, pretty much what you describe. My 204 Jinma does most of what I need to do, but I would suggest at least a 304 or 354 if you can afford it. I think you'll get a lot of info from this forum. Good luck on your adventures.

 

[Egon]

Chances are the dealers do not wish to publish fixed numbers but will give you the information if you talk to them. Puts it on a more personal basis and they may feel it gives them some bargaining room on price.

Have you thought about getting bids?

 

[Affordable]

ScottL,did you send us a e-mail ?If not send me one and I will give you whatever info and pricing you need,we sell package deals with trailers.We also have a large parts inventory,I have sold several in La.We are about 60 miles NW of Houston so if you are interested in a quote from us let me know.
tommy@affordabletractorsalesco.com

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales
979-865-4002
website AFFORDABLE TRACTORS

 

[greg_g]

Based upon your description of work, I'm thinking you ought to go in first with a bulldozer. These Chinese tractors are strong, but what you describe is asking a lot. It's not uncommon around here for folks to first buy a bulldozer for the grunt work, then turn around and sell it. From the proceeds, they then then buy a tractor and implements/accessories for the cleanup and day to day maintenance.

If you don't want to buy a dozer, rent one - or hire one. It will save a lot of wear and tear on your tractor/accessories/implements in the long run

//greg//

 

[Wingit]

It looks like everyone plays on the same sites hehe, well I sent out emails to the different dealers waiting for replies. Thanks. Maybe I will just look at the 284 or 304 and the implements I listed, was just thinking hp.

Sorry about looking to get dealers to post price on the site, that was not my intension only looking see what the price ranges would be. The though of getting bids is interesting.

Thanks for the info.

 

[thingy]

I don't think them 200 series tractors are big enough for a back hoe myself,and not big enough for anything other than light fel work,[not ramming it into things],so sounds like you should get a bigger one,,,or,rent a hoe and or dozer when you might need it,,and just use your tractor for cutting grass and blading,etc.,,course many do have hoes and fels on their 200 series,sure many work just fine,but have heard of many that have shown the tractor ain't big enough for that,,,thingy

 

[Wingit]

Thats why I was looking a the more HP, but depending on what kinda deals come through, I will see. I would like to get a crate package because of the low price deals, but if I can by from local or not on the other side of the states ( No offense to the folks on the east or west coast). Well just waiting for the prices to be sent to me and then I will make my buy.

Thanks for reply

 

[Soundguy]

30hp range is nice for that acerage.

What's the backhoe for.. you plan to do alot of digging? or just 1-2 jobs? if 1-2 jobs.. hire the backhoe work out and save some cash.

Soundguy

 

[thingy]

Yeah,,like sound guy said,,,when I bought mine 4 years ago,,they was only advertising 25 hp,,[sure others sold bigger],,but now,,they got em way up there,,get a 30-40 hp one,,think northern sells what,,up to 30-40,,different bigger frames,,heard of a what,,80 hp jinma?? or something,,on here,,,,,but still,,would rent a dozer when needed and backhoe when needed,,and not punish my brand new tractor that a ways,,,,its plenty good for redoing your driveway,,and brushhoging saplings up to an inch or so,,,once you get the major work done,,you won't need a hoe or even a fel probaby?? thingy

 

[Wingit]

Thanks guys for the information.
On the backhoe, my first task would be to clean up a 1200' ditch, redo 4 culverts about 16'. Then on the back 40 I have another ditch that needs some work. Plus do some wrecking on the old barn; have to make way for new building. So the cost of owning one would be better for me, can work at my pace, not the rental pace. Then I could sell it if I don’t need it later. The 30-35hp just seems like the range I need for the things I have to do with it.

Wingit

 

[Soundguy]

Don't forget to post some pics when you get it.. work pics are the best!

soundguy

 

[thingy]

Well,just got northerns new cataloque. 40 hp with hoe and fel,,21,500,,,,30 hp with fel and hoe 20,000 dollars,,says free shipping,,,don't know if hoes are the three point kind or not,,heard that wasn't the way to go,don't know....so that kinda gives you a point of referance,,,,,,but if that was my choices,,would go with the 40 hp one,,looks like just 1,500 more,,,but you'd need to ask somebody who has one about the three point mounting verses frame type mounting,[of somekind,not sure how it works],,,,thingy

 

[montanaman]

As far as the pricing, I can give you my point of view as a dealer. When I get an e-mail, I answer it with my phone number and ask for a call. I figure that if it is a local dealer of another brand fishing for my prices, they can at least have the backbone to lie to me over the phone. I don't sell tractors made in China or tractors in a crate so I am dealing with a different market. PLEASE understand that I am not saying anything bad about the Jinma tractors or crate purchases!!!! For many, this is a great choice, it just isn't what I sell and I know they are marketed in a much different way with no requirements on the dealer and no restrictions on price advertising etc.

I've also noticed that when I advertise in publications that have a large coverage area, I usually get calls from people far enough away that they aren't going to travel to buy from me. If they ask for a price, I will refer them to the closest dealer to them that sells the same brand. I just don't think it's fair to drop a price to someone so they can use it to beat up their local dealer.

Most dealers will sell you a tractor for what they can afford to sell you a tractor for.

As has been said before with the Jinma tractors, the dealer can be the most important part of the equation.

I would agree that for heavy use, look at the 30+ HP units. They are a much heavier tractor that the 20 HP series tractors with a much stronger front axle. I would also think really hard about a Koyker of other aftermarket FEL even though it will drive the cost up. The control valves are way better and have the float feature as well as the loader having stronger mounts. I haven't kept up with the Jinma loaders but I know the early models had no rear axle support bars to help get some of the stress off of the bellhousing casting.

I would just take the time to use the phone and give some dealers a chance to talk to you about your specific needs. That will give them a chance to offer their suggestions about what they think would serve you best.

Just remember that a great price on the wrong tractor is far too expensive.

Ken

 

[jmf7112001]

Montanaman, your reply was right on target. I have a small business in Al and need every order I can get, but I not going to let somebody shop on prices all over the country. Some people just don't know what a big part the dealer can play in enjoying your tractor.

 

[thingy]

Been thinging,,wonder what a johndeere or kabota or another big three or four,would cost for a 30 hp tractor with loader and hoe? I mean,,you start talking about spending 21 or 22,000 on a chinese tractor,[I know hoes and fels ain't cheap,but],,if I was thinking about spending that amount would do some shopping,kioti,mahranda,,etc,,,,I'm sure some of the other dealers could beat northerns price,,but wouldn't think by all that much and if it was much lower,that would worry me as well,,,can still buy a 254 for under 8,000,and thats a bargan,,just not sure how much if any a bargain you get spending 20,000 or more on a chinese tractor,,,just thinging again,,,,thingy

 

[Wingit]

Thanks for the replies folks:

My statement about getting email prices is misunderstood lets try and clear things , When a person has access to internet and not a phone that is the way he or she do there business. I work offshore and phone calls are at a premium, email is free. I'm sometimes out here for a month at a time. I have even bought a high performance engine and had it shipped to the house all from a vessel 200 miles offshore (No Phone call). But anyway.

I don't let the dealers know what deals that have been made; the dealer states his price and or discounts if any and I can take it or leave it that’s the way business should be done, I will even travel to other states to get it if the package deal has a good price for a trailer. In my area there is one dealer, so to find a good deal I have to look around, it's not a deal if you can't compare it, I will give that dealer first call anytime as long as he has what I’m looking for or can get it without to much added cost, I might add that I have not received my requested quote from him only a note to call

If you ask for a quote you should get one, then if you have questions or not to sure of the information or want the deal, “sweet”, you call! . But internet buying is better if you want to save money and the two parties can make an honest deal.

I was looking at crate tractors at one time but since checking the different forums I have kind of shied away , I have been looking at dealers for assembled ones, and yes I agree a dealer is very important to sales and service.

Just want to say if you are doing internet sales please respond with the inquired information, and yes I understand sometime dealers don’t update there web sites fast enough or have numerous sales to make updating your web site is not cost effective, but you might have a demo or other item they might be interested in and that might get you a sale.

Sorry if I made any body or Dealers upset with internet sales and quotes, and please correct me if I'm wrong!

It’s a internet commerce thing.

Love the site and keep the comments coming, its been a big help in finding what I need,

Wing
ps
I take full responsibility for my actions and comments and no animals were killed during the making of this statement

 

[montanaman]

Thanks for the replies folks:


If you ask for a quote you should get one, then if you have questions or not to sure of the information or want the deal, “sweet”, you call! . But internet buying is better if you want to save money and the two parties can make an honest deal.

Here is the problem for me as a dealer. Can you guess how many people walk into my place and the first thing I hear is, "What do these tractors cost?" Would anyone go to a Ford dealer and ask that question about a car without saying what car it is that they want?

There is a process that I feel needs to take place and it takes some time. I feel the need to get to know exactly what the customer is going to do with the tractor so that I know they will be happy once they get it home. If I give them the best price on the smallest tractor that I have and we find that there needs are for a much larger tractor, chances are they are going to feel like I am running the price up on them because they knew what the small tractor cost first. I've had many customers that didn't even need a tractor but I could have sold them one. Turns out the ONLY use they had for a tractor was to mow grass and they could not see a future need for a PTO or hydraulics, so I sent them home with a zero-turn mower. The zero-turns I have can tow a ton and push a snow plow so they met all of their needs.

Another problem that I face is a potential customer who comes in and already has a price quote on another brand and just wants a price on my tractor. There is a chance I could give them a higher quote and scare them off IF I don't have a chance to compare both tractors with them. If I quote a premium compact tractor with R-4 tires,dual remotes,draft control,skid-steer attach bucket on the loader,and a rear work light that out weighs what they are looking at by 500lbs and has 5 more HP coming from a 4cyl engine vs a 3cyl, don't you think that I should have the time to explain the "value" I am offering, even if the price is higher? I DO NOT push tractors but I do expect the chance to help guide a customer and give them all the information they need to make an informed decision. I have had base model tractors sit here and get old because I didn't push them on people. After going over all the features on the premium tractors, they just out sell the base model tractors to all but the most price driven customer.

Given your situation, I would take a few minutes to explain in your email that you do not have access to a phone and that may be all that you need to do to get some quotes coming in.

Also, given that you are looking on this site that has many Jinma dealers, you will be getting all the help that you need deciding the right tractor for your needs.

I'm glad that you cleared up your reason for not just calling and I wish you the best of luck with what you buy!

Ken

 

[kyspartan]

actually if you go on a ford dealers lot you will see the price on a window sticker actually, all makes will have the price on a invoice listing all its features stuck on the passenger side window. now if you wanna haggle that price you go see a salesman. here is a site listing all fords new prices. their not selling anything so i hope it doesn't get deleted
New Ford Prices | 2008 2007 Ford Car Pricing, MSRP, & Invoice Pricing at Automotive.com

 

[Tytan Tractor]

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