Heavy Duty Pickup Shootout

[sld]

My Superduty V10 will smoke a hemi in every way!!!

And after 150k miles it would eat the Cummins for breakfast and come back for more!:laughing::laughing::laughing: because the dodge would've fallen apart:laughing::laughing::laughing:

I love these brand loyalty threads. I am not sure there is anything, besides maybe politics, that stokes a fire like this.

 

[Duffster]

GCWR is the LEGAL WEIGHT LIMIT of the vehicle SET BY THE MANUFACTURER.

Yes, the manufacture of the truck(GVWR) + the manufacture of the trailer(s) (GVWR) = GCWR.

And the GCWR is on your registration

Wrong. The only weight on my registration is my licensed weight which is the legal limit.

AND in the DMV database linked to the VIN for that vehicle.

Wrong again. If GCWR was a legal rating it would be on the door label.

Since the GCWR PROVIDED BY THE MANUFACTURER of that RAM is under 26k then I would have NO PROBLEM hauling that 14k trailer around there, here, or any where.

Like I said, good luck because that combination requires a CDL here.

 

[aczlan]

Yes, the manufacture of the truck(GVWR) + the manufacture of the trailer(s) (GVWR) = GCWR.

Ummm the Ford Motor Company disagrees with you as to the way they come up with the max GCWR.

GCWR (Gross Combination Weight Rating)
Weight specified by the manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of a towing vehicle and its trailer. The sum of the loaded vehicle weight of the truck and trailer should not exceed the GCWR. GCWR = vehicle curb weight + payload + trailer weight + driver and passengers
Source: Ford Vehicle Glossary | The Official Site of Ford Vehicles | FordVehicles.com

Formatting mine. Other text can be found at the source listed.

Aaron Z

 

[Duffster]

Ummm the Ford Motor Company disagrees with you

Bold formatting mine. Other text can be gound at the source listed.

Aaron Z

It doesn't matter what Ford says, only the FMCSA as far as CDLs are concerned.

 

[Duffster]

AGAIN: GCWR IS NOT GVWR+GVWR.

Question 6: A driver operates a tractor of exactly 26,000 pounds GVWR, towing a trailer of exactly 10,000 pounds GVWR, for a GCWR of 36,000 pounds. HM and passengers are not involved. Is it a CMV and does the driver need a CDL?

If the total GVWR for the two trailers is at least 10,001 pounds, and the tractor’s GVWR is sufficient to produce a GCWR of at least 26,001 pounds

Interpretation for Part 383.5 Definitions. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration


Hmmmmm.

 

[aczlan]

It doesn't matter what Ford says, only the FMCSA as far as CDLs are concerned.

As I read them, they are in complete agreement.
As I understand it, the manufacturer's GCWR RATING is the max total permissible weight of truck, trailer and anything in/on them

FMCSA:
Gross combination weight rating (GCWR) means the value specified by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a combination (articulated) motor vehicle

Ford:
GCWR (Gross Combination Weight Rating)
Weight specified by the manufacturer as the maximum loaded weight of a towing vehicle and its trailer

Am I misunderstanding something here? The manufacturer says that their truck and any trailer behind it can legally weigh up to X pounds. That is your max GCWR. If the Manufacturer does not supply a GCWR rating, the DOT will give you one.
If you weight more than that rating and get caught, the officer will have fun writing you up.

Aaron Z

 

[Duffster]

As I read them, they are in complete agreement.
As I understand it, the manufacturer's GCWR RATING is the max total permissible weight of truck, trailer and anything in/on them



Am I misunderstanding something here? The manufacturer says that their truck and any trailer behind it can legally weigh up to X pounds. That is your max GCWR. If the Manufacturer does not supply a GCWR rating, the DOT will give you one.
If you weight more than that rating and get caught, the officer will have fun writing you up.

Aaron Z

You can see from my previous post that the FMCSA's interpretation of GCWR is GVWR + GVWR.

 

[aczlan]

You can see from my previous post that the FMCSA's interpretation of GCWR is GVWR + GVWR.

This one: Heavy Duty Pickup Shootout - Page 8 - TractorByNet.com?
Those examples show that they can use that method, however they also say that:

Gross combination weight rating (GCWR) means the value specified by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a combination (articulated) vehicle. In the absence of a value specified by the manufacturer, GCWR will be determined by adding the GVWR of the power unit and the total weight of the towed unit and any load thereon.
Source: Part 383.5: Definitions. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration and Part 390.5: Definitions. - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

So, as I understand the above text, the manufacturer GCWR will be used if available. If that is not available, it will be determined as you describe (GVWR of truck+GVWR of the trailer)

Aaron Z

 

[Cat_Driver]

OK here's what I don't get. All manufactures have the latest computers, the latest CAD drawing software, the latest of everything YET all manufacturers come up short in various areas.

This has been going on for decades - how is that? How is it that one manufacturer can built a diesel truck that overheats from day one and is actually released to the public and the internet lights up with hundreds of people with the same overheating problem?

How is it that another manufacturer has a great engine but the tranny is garbage?

How is it that a manufacturer knows it has bad front end components yet still makes the truck.

I'm not bashing one manufacturer because they are all guilty. I mean come on, keep building components that work and redo the things that don't how hard is that, but nope, year after year truck A is better than truck B and truck B is better next year and now truck C is better than them all?

They say they test these trucks, well if they do how do they go out the door overheating or with bad front ends and trannies. Let me test a truck I'll tell you pretty quickly what will hold up and what won't.

Is it economics? They figure build a truck for all the grocery runs and then just apologize to the guy that drives on gravel roads and uses 4WD every day. After all the numbers are in favor of more people buying truck to get groceries that beat them up on country roads, I guess?

 

[aczlan]

Is it economics? They figure build a truck for all the grocery runs and then just apologize to the guy that drives on gravel roads and uses 4WD every day. After all the numbers are in favor of more people buying truck to get groceries that beat them up on country roads, I guess?

Well, I would guess that they make the truck as cheap as possible, while making it last xxx,xxx miles. "no point in wasting money on a part that will outlast the the expected lifetime of the truck".
In the end, it is the same as it was with the design flaw in the Pinto gas tank mounting (just not as dangerous).

Aaron Z