"Helmet? I don't need no steenking helmet!"

[The Haymaker]

CFL's work. They save tons of energy. They provide adequate light. There is very little cost difference between a premium incandescent bulb for a brand name CFL. They're an intern until LED's come down in price and become more common. And most importantly, they save YOU money.

Whats not to like?

And before you say colour index and slow startup... there are bulbs that address that...

1.CFL's are available in various colour indices just like the 8' tubes of old. A little research will show you what bulb will give which temperature light.

2. Different manufactures bulbs come to full brightness at different rates. I like Sylvania, they light very fast. Personally i hate Phillips CFL's, yet i love their LED's.

3. GE? has a combo Halogen/ flour that starts on halogen (full brightness instantly) then shifts to fluorescent after ~30 sec for the times you need instant on yet you want efficiency for a light that gets left on.

4. There are Halogen high efficiency incandescent bulbs now available.. not as efficient as the pure fluorescent but higher brightness and instant on with excellent colour properties.

Oh, and the mercury thing is a red herring, or maybe a tuna..... Eating a can of tuna would expose you to more mercury than breaking a bulb.... AND that doesn't even include the additional mercury released from burning the extra coal that could be saved with more efficient lighting.

But as i said, LED is the answer and CFL is just an interim to get us moving in the proper direction. Within 10 years, i think CFL will be just as much a dinosaur as incandescent is today.

I give them ten years and they go the way of the mercury thermostat that was replaced by the junk that is currently stuck on my wall.

The CFLs do have one nice thing, they give tons of jobs to the Chinese. LEDS? Again, made in China. Was doing some listening and reading on them lately and they are having issues with a 2 year life because of the shoddy materials used. Price? Is there not government kickbacks bringing the "visible" price down, there fore we are paying full price, just half of it is being stolen out of our back pocket?

 

[Iowachild]

I give them ten years and they go the way of the mercury thermostat that was replaced by the junk that is currently stuck on my wall.

The CFLs do have one nice thing, they give tons of jobs to the Chinese. LEDS? Again, made in China. Was doing some listening and reading on them lately and they are having issues with a 2 year life because of the shoddy materials used. Price? Is there not government kickbacks bringing the "visible" price down, there fore we are paying full price, just half of it is being stolen out of our back pocket?

Like ethanol, which also gives you they added value of less miles per gallon!:mur:

 

[beppington]

Like ethanol, which also gives you they added value of less miles per gallon!:mur:

And engine damage! :dance1:

 

[The Haymaker]

Like ethanol, which also gives you they added value of less miles per gallon!:mur:

The one good thing about ethanol and my liking to work on others dirtbikes, is I have to find creative ways to dispose of the garbage I have to drain. Like this.... I have pushed global warming just far enough to give us the warmest summer since... well.... global warming caused the global cooling, I have simultaneously helped stave off global warming by dropping peak electrical demand because the neighbors were able to momentarily shut off some lights, I helped raise my Dads compost pile to its optimal mushifying composting temp, aaaaaaand I both trimmed and fertilized the lawn at the same time!

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[DarkBlack]

Are we not all going to be dead soon?

Is it not just a matter of order and time?

Motorcycle accidents are not even in the top 10 ten causes of deaths in the U.S., Why don't we have laws prohibiting the causes of these top 10?

Can you really reverse engineer a fatality of a no helmet proponent? Like before a plane crash, was there no passanger who thought planes were safe before it happened?

For those who cry public paid bills- is a MC death more $ than years of potty pan support at a retirement home?

Just figured I'd play devil's advocate for a minute.

 

[oldballs]

I grew up without helmets, seat belts, a refrigerator, a thermostat, the EPA or OSHA. There was lead in our humble home, no insulation and mercury in the themometer but no penicillin for the scarlet fever. I don't know how I got here. :laughing:

 

[Monster5601]

I grew up without helmets, seat belts, a refrigerator, a thermostat, the EPA or OSHA. There was lead in our humble home, no insulation and mercury in the themometer but no penicillin for the scarlet fever. I don't know how I got here. :laughing:

Me too plus I watched all those violent cartoons of the 50's.

The one statistic I never see published is the number of deaths cause by a helmet due to a neck brake due to the weight of the helmet. I do not have the numbers but my wife served many years as an ER nurse in the Detroit hospitals.

 

[aczlan]

The one statistic I never see published is the number of deaths cause by a helmet due to a neck brake due to the weight of the helmet. I do not have the numbers but my wife served many years as an ER nurse in the Detroit hospitals.

See my post from earlier in the thread (below). The number is lower than those who would be killed or injured by hitting/sliding their head across the ground.

You might want check your sources. Several studies show otherwise (and disprove the flawed study that agreed with you):
Motorcycle helmets reduce spine injuries after collisions; Helmet weight as risk to neck called a 'myth'
Q&A: Motorcycle helmet use laws (see the drawbacks page and citation 8)
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pubs/811159.pdf
http://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/Traf...les/Associated Files/MotorcycleHelmet2005.pdf

Aaron Z

 

[BlacknTan]

In this week's newspaper, a 62 year old man from New Hampshire and his 57 year old wife were ejected from their Harley-Davidson when the man failed to negotiate a turn in Blue Mountain Lake, N.Y.. Both riders were wearing helmets, but both complained of pains and were transported to the hospital.
Perhaps older people should have the privelege of riding a motorcycle suspended at a certain age. Or perhaps motorcycles should be outlawed altogether, considering the inherent dangers of the machine itself and the associated costs in injuries to society. It would only make common sense.

BTW, the local town board is considering a ban upon the use of incandescent ight bulbs, and there are moves afoot to make it illegal for persons under eighteen to use a tanning bed, bue to the incidence of skin cancers.. How far down the road is it to making appearing outside in daylight against the law, because of the science that tells us it's unhealthy, and the social costs of more and more diagnosed cases of skin cancers... just common sense, right??

For those that think these ideas are far fetched, fifty years ago folks would have scoffed at some of the laws in place to day as unthinkable, draconian, and just not possible...

Hoe easily it is for us to give up our personal freedoms and feed at the breast of big government!

 

[ray66v]

Or perhaps motorcycles should be outlawed altogether

Okay, but I would settle for just the loud ones. :thumbsup: