Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra??

   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra?? #11  
A little dirt can come in handy to use at your discretion when and where you need it.

As mentioned a tractor with a loader should be minimum.

That is a very nice rip-rap job you and your wife are doing. I can feel the sweat running.

Choose a tractor you are very comfortable in and with and not just on upfront price unless that is a necessity.

Egon
 
   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra?? #12  
Check out any of the Kioti DK35,40,or 45 tractors. Any one of them can probably do all you want and more, and you can get loader and backhoe around the price you want. Get the Woods loader and backhoe, as they seem superior to the Kioti. John
 
   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra??
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Doc, I bought my 2004 Dodge 3500 4 x 4 after weeks and even months of research. I don't want to bash brands but this decision over the top 2 Heavy Duty truck manufaturers came down to the Cummins Diesel engine. The others just couldn't match up for my needs. The Cummins engine is a Medium Duty Diesel while the other 2 brands are Light Duty. The Cummins Diesel Engine is proven and has a average life of 350,000 miles to overhaul and a few drivers have even made it to the 1 million mile mark without anything but preventative maintenance. I drive 30,000 to 40,000 miles per year and I want to keep this truck for a while.

I was a Mechanical Engineer in Connecticut before moving to Florida and I am **** about quality and value. Overpriced quality is as hard for me to swallow as lack of quality. P.S.-I have cloth interior, and no upgraded stereo, CD changer, etc., ... My main concerns were the engine and the 4 x 4. And although I hate to say it about a vehicle, I do love my truck more than any previous vehicle I have had. I have good things not because I am rich (I'm not) but because I am careful not to make bad decisions. I even change my own oil to make sure it's done right and to save money also.

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I was primarily looking at Deere, Kubota, and New Holland. Mahindra is big in TX and its past relationship with International Harvester and web site was intriguing to me. They say they are the 3rd biggest tractor manufacturer in the world. It's a heavy tractor but the network of U.S. dealers is still small (at least here in Florida).

Florida is expensive. Florida used to be a place to get more for your retirement dollars. Not any more. It's commom to see 20-50 acres tracks of farm or raw land for $10,000.00 and acre or more.

I don't know much on Kioti. I don't mean that as an insult. I was just following local owners advice. I was even told by a local escavator that Kubotas were a fortune to get fixed. This may be wrong...he owns a Deere Loader, a Deere Back Hoe, and a Massey Grader Tractor. He said go with Deere, New Holland, or Massey.

I want longevity and easy maintenance on whatever I get. I want this tractor to outlast me. I'm 43 years old so it has to last a little at least. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I just need good honest advice on what would be my best choice(s).


Any help is appreciated. Like I said, I am not shy to bring a tractor I bought in TX to a dealer in FL to fix. It's their job. If they can't take care of me up front they shouldn't get the sale to begin with.

Here are some pics of my turtle ponds as work in progress.

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Thanks,
 
   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra?? #14  
Your emphasis on quality and value sounds familiar - as an engineer, I'm looking at the same things. I don't need a ton of frills, but what I get better be well made. I've had no complaints with the Kioti, and I'm very picky too. No little crappy bits that look like they won't hold up, well designed and nicely put together. That is why I took exception to the "Cheep" comment - they aren't, and I know what I'm looking at. It sounds like you won't have any trouble using your own judgement - don't hesitate to ask if your not sure what a particular feature or function is. In the end the important thing is to have the capability to do the job when you need it.
 
   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra?? #15  
I would think a Mechanical Engineer would go with a CAT or a DEERE..JMO....But, I drive a Black Duramax so what do I know.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Jd parts network is hard to beat..Most farmers around here will go with nothing else...I have used a few CASE 580 backhoe loaders(shuttle drive) for many jobs and they have always done the job.great units if you need something that large..Case 580 is hard to beat..

By the way, Great looking family and nice truck... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra?? #16  
Turns out that FLDave's property is about 60 miles due West of my property, off the same state highway. So, his conditions are going to be almost exactly the same as mine. Also, Dave, we're probably at about the same state of development -- I have the property selectively cleared, fenced, have the culvert and driveway in but don't have the shell rock on the driveway yet, have the pond dug and the house and barn areas raised against flooding, and have installed a well. With only 5 acres, however, I don't have the potential for income from the property that you do, and at age 64, I don't have the inclination, any more, either.

R4 (intermediate) tires are the way to go for our soil conditions. We had historically high rain levels last summer, and a big portion of my land was flooded to about 6". I was working the tractor hard and created a lot of goop about the consistency of baked beans, and never got stuck with the R4's. R1's are too aggressive unless you plan to plow. Turfs may be OK because of the greater flotation, but the narrow tread sipes will pack up with our goop. The R4's will tear up the ground a bit on tight turns after a rain, but it's livable except on a groomed lawn - of which I will have as little as possible.

Since your house area is already raised, then $1.00 a yard to dig a pond and pile the dirt is a good price. When we had our pond dug, I was paying as much for Barnhill's expertise as I was for actually moving, grading and compacting the dirt. But, now that my road, house and barn areas have been raised, I'm moving the rest of the dirt myself to fill low-lying areas. Since I have a small tractor and loader, I bought a used dump trailer so I can fill it, haul it where it needs to be with the tractor, dump it and spread it

I got lucky. Just outside my fence on the highway frontage is the highway swale. Just inside the fence is the lowest area of my property. When a state contractor cleaned out the highway ditch a few months ago, I offered to let them dump on my land so they wouldn't have to truck it so far. They jumped at the opportunity (I'm sure they continued to bill the state for the 10 mile round trip to their previous dumping area /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif). So, now I have about 40 loads of fill near where I need it. It's pretty trashy with weeds, but it's the same weeds that are already spread into that low-lying area, so I lose nothing and gain a lot. It may take me months of off-again, on-again effort to get it all spread, but I have time.

Looking at the picture of your creek, it's deeper than I imagined it. You're going to have trouble keeping the banks clean unless you slope them more gradually, and that will take an excavator. I don't have any good ideas about how to maintain it, except perhaps a side-mounted sickle bar mower than can be lowered to the same angle as the bank, and that's pretty tough -- I'm not sure they go down that much. My suggestion is to do what we're gong to do with over half of the bank around our pond -- plant it heavily with native grasses, shrubs, some cypress, etc, and turn it into a no-maintenance landscape oasis rather than grooming it.

As far as the implements go, once you find the tractor you like, see if the dealer will bundle them with the purchase. That's how I got my brush hog and box blade. He added them at cost to make the sale of the tractor. I got my landscape rake on sale at Tractor Supply for less than $300, so I guess it just "happened", as you say. Sounds like your wife and mine would have the same reaction, but I explained that it was kind of silly to spend $15K on a tractor without implements, unless she just wanted me to ride around and look pretty (she snorted). I couldn't justify the backhoe, however, as it would have added almost 50% to the cost of the tractor. I rent when I need a tool like that.

I can justify all the rest of it, though -- I've been keeping a rough log of what it would have cost to have someone else do what I've done with the tractor, and so far, I've paid for about 20% (conservatively) of it in the first year. By the time we're "done" (we'll never be finished), I'll be able to show a profit on the purchase of the tractor. Fortunately, at my age, I don't have to compare the cost to what it would cost to do something by hand. If I tried your rip-rap project, I would have had to give up at about 10 bags. If I can't do it by machine, it either isn't going to get done, or someone else will do it, at much greater expense.

Bob's recommendation of the TC33DA is a good one. It's too much for my property, but it's my favorite New Holland. You will NEED 4 wheel drive for our goop, and a hydrostatic tranny is the only way to go for our conditions. With that said, for your uses, I'd still look at the TC35 or TC40 -- you did say you'd have 8 feet between the palms, and they don't spread much, so you'll have little trouble with a bigger tractor. You might also ask the NH dealer to price a TN60 or 70 with a FEL. They're not as fancy as the TC series, they're designed for work, sort of like your truck. I don't know how the prices compare, but it would be interesting to find out.
 
   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra?? #17  
I stand corrected on the tires then - go with OkeeDon's advice cause soil conditions can certainly be different in different areas. The consistency of the mud here really makes the R4's into slicks, but if they work there, great. They look cooler too! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra?? #18  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( But they do not have alot of the features that a deere, kubota, new holland will have. )</font>

Just what features do the others not offer?
 
   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra?? #19  
Dave, thanks for posting the pictures. It was delightful reading your post. Now I know what turtle wranglers look like! You should be proud of that crew, for sure. What do you call a group of turtles....a herd?

Anyway, I couldn't help but wade in here...after reading your comments about the Cummins, since I work there. We have had owners come in with million mile dodge/cummins trucks just to show us. So I can verify what you said there is true, they do exsist. Also, a tip from an engineer I know....when you get a few thousand miles on it, find a big heavily loaded trailer and take a road trip. Put it under a good load to seat the rings.

Now, as far as the tractor goes....since everyone else is plugging their brand....I will shamelessly jump in here...so take it with a grain of salt. I bought a Branson 4020 (40HP turbo) last Dec, with fel and BH for just slightly over your target spend level...and I mean slightly. I suspect prices have gone up some since then. If you are not familiar with this tractor , it is made by Kukje of South Korea. The Branson corp offices are in Georgia, so down in your neck of the woods. Before buying the tractor, I had heard of Kukje since Cummins has a joint venture with them to sell and market their small engines as the "A" series, which are sold mostly into the construction equipment market. I think you will find that this tractor offers a lot of value/quality for the money and may be worth taking a look at. I am planning on keeping mine a long time and don't regret my decision one bit.

Good luck with your search, and enjoy the turtle farming.

sassafraspete
 
   / Help! Deere, Kubota, New Holland, or Mahindra?? #20  
I'm really not going to go into this whole brand deal Chris. It's my opinion and also the opinion of guys that test these tractors for a living. Let's put aside the difference in the tractors and talk just about the dealers and the parts network. I was baling thursday and broke an axle on the tractor. I called the deere dealer and within an hour they had a new axle and two servicemen out to the place. In three hours I was baling hay again. We had severe storms coming in and they saved me about $15,000 in hay that would have been ruined.

Now put 10,000 hours on your tractor and then let's compare them. Compare rebuilds. Alot of the off market brands can't even be rebuilt. Not saying the Kioti can't. Let's see how they are still performing in 10 years or 10,000 hours then I'll be a believer. Put one through what this 4600 has been through and then I'll be a believer. Just like the cummins has proven to be a reliable performer and the deeres the kioti has not proven to be the long term homerun. I'm not saying that it won't turn out to be but for the relative price difference I'll put my money on a proven brand. If a person only puts a few hundred hours on one you'll never know. But when you work equpment as hard and put as many hours on them as we do we dang sure want one that is going to hold together for the long run.
 

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