Help! I need legal advice re: easements

   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #441  
So what would happen if you were to win the appeal? I assume they would have to give you everything back that you had paid them, but what if they spent it or past away, and how does that help you if you were forced to sell your land? I am really sorry for all you are going through!
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #442  
I will no doubt be chastized for the following, but this thing reads like a Greek tragedy where the hero's own character flaws propel him inexorably to his doom.

<font color="blue">hindsight is perfect and I have figured out a dynamite case if only I could turn back the hands of time... </font>

Even though mdbard posts he <font color="blue">don't trust ANYTHING that has to go through the courts </font>he doesn't really grasp the fact that the PURPOSE of the courts is 1) to provide employment for the attorney class, 2) to allow organized (and "legal") extortion, and, 3) to divert private vendetas and retribution for private wrongs into a formalized game or "dance" and thereby reduce private violence. That's the purpose. Private hassles, such as mdbarb allowed himself to be drawn into, fought out in court instead of other venues, are won by the most outrageous accusations by the person with the deepest pockets. Even if you win the appeal (and I certainly hope you do) you have already lost.

Once the "war" started, mdbard played a game of tit for tat. I do not doubt for a moment that his neighbor started it. I do not doubt for a moment that his neighbor was trying to grab some of his property. I do not doubt for a moment that mdbard was in the "right." But right is irrelevant. What's relevant is ending (solving) the problem. For example, when his neighbor started with the <font color="blue">fire department </font>issue, or the <font color="blue">landscaping </font>near the road, what happened? How did the state find out about the <font color="blue">flapgate </font>,or, the county about the <font color="blue">septic system problem </font>, or, where did those <font color="blue">speed bumps </font>come from?

You state that it was a<font color="blue"> huge mistake to leave him to stay on my property </font>(i.e. the RV), but that the
<font color="blue">root of the problem is the poorly written easement. </font>

No, mdbard, that's not the root of the problem. The real problem is why you purchased a piece of property in the first place that allowed some private, third party to cross your property at will (carefully drawn easement or not)? Yes, I know, some will say they have similar easements and have never had a problem. But allowing someone to cross your property at will, within a few feet of your house and directly past your barn is like a soldier wandering across a mine field - some no doubt make it, but some get blown up, as you did. You knew about the easement; why did you pretend to yourself it would be all right? Did you believe the "law" would protect you? Reality always trumps wishful thinking.

Once the opening shots were fired, by the neighbor, why did you rely on your legal "rights?" The fact he would do what he did puts him in the nut case category. Reality (instead of wishful thinking "rights") should have dictated giving him anything he wanted to get out of it. In one of your posts you stated that the neighbor a few <font color="blue">months before this started was helping me rebuild my barn </font>so obviously you had some kind of reasonable relationship there. Why didn't you go directly to him and work it out (giving him whatever it took)? If you couldn't do that, why didn't you try to get someone high up on the food chain in your county to settle it (political maybe)? Why is your neighbor's attorney, who no doubt egged him on for his own financial aggrandizment and is a real culprit in this, still alive?

You may think I am picking on you, but I have far more sympathy for your plight than you may realize. I am trying to get you to see the <font color="red">reality</font>. And the reality is that you brought this on yourself because you wanted to pretend to yourself that buying a piece of property with that kind of easement on it would work out ok, you wanted to pretend to yourself that words on a piece of paper would protect you, you wanted to pretend to yourself when the "war" started that because you were right the courts would protect you, you wanted to pretend to yourself that you could play tit for tat with your neighbor (when he's got a screw loose).

The root cause of this tragedy is the belief that because we want something to be true it will be. Reality trumps wishful thinking. Always.

I will close with a stanze from the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on ; nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it.

JEH
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #443  
Man, JEH,

Tonight is not the night, but I may have to grab a couple beers and read the thread start to finish again...just to see what conclusion I come to, keeping your words in mind, of course.

I can relate a bit to what you say. While it is peanuts compared to mdbarb's situation...no, smaller than penuts...grains of sand...no smaller than that...well, anyway, I recently put in a sewer line (somehow seems like a related subject...) and after reading the county code for plumbing, I realized the code was not there to protect the resident, but rather to protect the plumbers...

So your point about the lawyers and so on is well taken...

Sometimes it is hard to see the forrest for the trees...

Best wishes to Mdbarb...
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #444  
I agree with you to some extent, I also think that any reasonable person could have made the same mistakes.

I noticed that a couple folks didn't like my decision to roll over on the fence issue (my post is several back on this page).

Here's the thing, the people who own the property are quite elderly. The gentleman can barely speak coherently on the phone, and his poor wife is clearly suffering from advanced dementia, you cannot even have a real conversation with her.

I could get yet another surveyor to prove the fence breach - that would cost about $1000. I could issue an ultimatum, either sign the "I know my fence is on your property" letter or say I'm getting another survey and if it proves the fence is on my property I'm tearing it down.

I could do all that - but would it make sense? The land in question is worth a little less than $1000. If I actually tore down the fence, I'm sure a legal battle would ensue.

I am not physically at my place most of the time, so my mobile home and my shed and my tools are all sitting ducks - do I *really* want to start a battle with my neighbors?

Yes, it isn't fair and I still get steamed just thinking about it - but guess what - I've consider all the options and I've chosen a course of action. I'm going to do nothing because for the life of me I cannot think of *something* that I think is going to be better.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #445  
Can I suggest you post that advice in a thread of it's own? Easier to search and might reach more people.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #446  
Man oh man! Un frigin believable!
I remember the beginnings of your ordeal but just caught up with the most recent happenings (the ruling against you). I'm in shock!
Would it slow things down if you counter sued or just sued for mental cruelty? I would hope you could stretch this out for years ....but I suppose the mental toll on you and your family might be as tough as starting over anywhere else.

Any chance of charging for storage of the motor home all those years for the sum of say 422,000? Yea, an even trade! Wishful thinking i suppose.

Best of luck down the road guy, keep us posted if you can.

Moon of Ohio

ps. I think we all realize this thread was not in any way asking for monetary support, but, just the same if we TBN'ers would be allowed to start an assistance fund for you and publicize it to a understanding American public we might just be able to help out. The power of numbers can be amazing.
I'd be glad to set up a web site for you if you'd like. PM me.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #447  
Libertine said, "Reality always trumps wishful thinking." That is true.

As I said in one of my previous posts, judges and juries do not rule on the law, they rule on their emotions and in many cases their personal prejudices.

Example: Some people don't like bald people. I am bald so there is nothing I can to do get those folks to like me. A judge or juror who had a bald stepfather who beat him as a child will be naturally prejudiced against me if the other party has a full head of hair that reminds them of their real father who had hair and was kind to them. That is human nature and I will nearly always lose in such a situation.

In a small community the judge and/or jurors may know one or both parties in a lawsuit and their like/dislike of one or the other will affect their judgement.

Let me give you an example of an actual case:

A friend of mine (Sam) was sued. His wife's name is Judy.

During the trial it was close to 5:00 PM when the judge said, "Looks like it's almost 5 o'clock so let's adjourn for the day."

Looking at my friend Sam he added, "If you don't get home in time for supper Judy is going to be mad at both of us".

Who do you think won that case?

(Names have been changed to protect the winners in this case.)

Bill Tolle
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #448  
</font><font color="blueclass=small">( Can I suggest you post that advice in a thread of it's own? Easier to search and might reach more people. )</font>

I posted a copy of my message to the Rural Living forum under the topic Buying land-some things to be aware of .

I hope it will save someone from getting into trouble some day.

Bill Tolle
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #449  
Someone said somethign regarding the RV being abondoned. Years ago, my 1971 Olds 442 convertable broke down in Charleston, SC.
Richard
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I bought a new 1971 Chevile Malabu convertible.
Wish I had it now and like it was when new.
 
   / Help! I need legal advice re: easements #450  
I could list hundreds if not thousands of professions that are supportrfr by at most and at least helped by legislatures passing laws.
Cacinok =
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Building codes and permits are a good example of this.
So are the mandatory insurance laws.
Another is septic tank regulations.
 

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