Help identify these fittings

[Indygunworks]

Trying to put my MS attachments grapple, onto my brother in laws tractor. The Grapple was ordered to fit my Mahindra 1526 with the Mahindra 3rd function. His is a Kioto 3510 or 4010 with a WR long 3rd function kit. Kioti says they are using "standard" connectors. I assume they mean Pioneer. The manual for my third function doesn't say anything about the style. The grapple hose ends are 1/2 inch O ring style.

You can see in the picture some subtle differences. I don't know what I am looking at here, or how to tell which is the "real" standard, and which is something else. I am hoping that the parts I need to purchase will be somewhat common.

 

[Indygunworks]

here is the end of the hose off the grapple. I tried to take the male fitting off the third function on the Kioti and add it onto the end of the hose on the grapple, but it was to big and wouldn't thread on. I am not sure how though because they look **** near the same size shanks in this photo.




The grapple and tractor are about 45 minutes away, and in a place with zero tools besides what I bring. So I am trying to narrow this down w/out having to put a oil change on the truck figuring this out.

 

[Indygunworks]

Also, in the first picture the male fitting that's in my hand, that came off the grapple, WOULD NOT FIT into the female on the tractor. It looked close, but was just slightly to large and wouldn't fit at all.

 

[JK22]

Trying to put my MS attachments grapple, onto my brother in laws tractor. The Grapple was ordered to fit my Mahindra 1526 with the Mahindra 3rd function. His is a Kioto 3510 or 4010 with a WR long 3rd function kit. Kioti says they are using "standard" connectors. I assume they mean Pioneer. The manual for my third function doesn't say anything about the style. The grapple hose ends are 1/2 inch O ring style.

You can see in the picture some subtle differences. I don't know what I am looking at here, or how to tell which is the "real" standard, and which is something else. I am hoping that the parts I need to purchase will be somewhat common.

My guess is that is a 3/8" ISO 7241-1 (series B) male quick connect. Looks to be the same as the one already on the bulkhead. You need a female to pair them up.

 

[JK22]

Also, in the first picture the male fitting that's in my hand, that came off the grapple, WOULD NOT FIT into the female on the tractor. It looked close, but was just slightly to large and wouldn't fit at all.

Sorry. You must have posted this while I was typing. They both look to be ISO 7241 fittings, but maybe one is series A and the other is Series B? Man... good luck to you. If it was me I would pull those fittings off and take them into a hydraulic shop. You're going to have a hard time doing this from afar.

 

[Indygunworks]

I called some of the parties back, and they all thought I was CRAZY OUT OF MY MIND, for asking about there possibly being a series A vs. series B difference.

 

[JK22]

I called some of the parties back, and they all thought I was CRAZY OUT OF MY MIND, for asking about there possibly being a series A vs. series B difference.

This might help to identify the fittings. http://www.discounthydraulichose.com/v/vspfiles/downloadables/qd_sizechart.pdf

Sure looks to me like there is a difference in compatibility between A and B but I'm really not sure.

I won't comment on the threads not matching up on your second hose. Too many variables (coarse vs. fine thread, NPT vs. NPSM vs. JIC). Did you try removing that extender piece? It might be extending and changing the threading. Hopefully an expert will chime in. I'm just trying to help because I recently went through a similar nightmare trying to figure out a 3rd function valve.

 

[JK22]

I would also say it's possible they shipped your grapple hoses with 1/2" fittings and you have a 3/8" female ISO fitting in there (or vice versa).

 

[Indygunworks]

after a small bit of research it appears that the third function is probably a HNV series ISO B Quick Disconnects | HNV Series ISO-B it looks very similar.

I KNOW my style is an NV style. I guess they are not compatible. but nobody will admit to being the one not using the "standard" connector. Hate to spend money on something mail order w/out knowing for sure.

 

[adventure bob]

I had to spend a day in the Parker store to figure this out when I bought my snow blower. What it appears you have there is an 8010 male connector for break under pressure. Heres what I posted in my snowblower thread that I think you have:
Parker 9006-001 yy (sometimes Pioneer, made by parker by the way.) If you have these, the male end for your hoses will be an 8010 series connector. The ball versions have no alpha character, 8010-4. The poppet version has a P in the part number like 8010-4P. The break under pressure version of the poppet connection has the "DC" suffix 8010-4P-DC. The difference in the number in the middle is the threaded end size: 8010-4 is 1/2 NPTF 8010-15 is 3/4. If you look at the fitting for the break under pressures there a little hole in the poppet in the bottom. Any of the 8010s will fit these 9006-001s; poppet or ball. However it makes no sense to pay the extra couple of bucks for the break under pressures if your tractor side is ball or regular poppet.

 

[Indygunworks]

This might help to identify the fittings. http://www.discounthydraulichose.com/v/vspfiles/downloadables/qd_sizechart.pdf

Sure looks to me like there is a difference in compatibility between A and B but I'm really not sure.

I won't comment on the threads not matching up on your second hose. Too many variables (coarse vs. fine thread, NPT vs. NPSM vs. JIC). Did you try removing that extender piece? It might be extending and changing the threading. Hopefully an expert will chime in. I'm just trying to help because I recently went through a similar nightmare trying to figure out a 3rd function valve.

Bottom of that chart it looks like they should be compatible, if my gut is right. the series B should be interchangeable with the HNV

 

[Indygunworks]

I had to spend a day in the Parker store to figure this out when I bought my snow blower. What it appears you have there is an 8010 male connector for break under pressure. Heres what I posted in my snowblower thread that I think you have:
Parker 9006-001 yy (sometimes Pioneer, made by parker by the way.) If you have these, the male end for your hoses will be an 8010 series connector. The ball versions have no alpha character, 8010-4. The poppet version has a P in the part number like 8010-4P. The break under pressure version of the poppet connection has the "DC" suffix 8010-4P-DC. The difference in the number in the middle is the threaded end size: 8010-4 is 1/2 NPTF 8010-15 is 3/4. If you look at the fitting for the break under pressures there a little hole in the poppet in the bottom. Any of the 8010s will fit these 9006-001s; poppet or ball. However it makes no sense to pay the extra couple of bucks for the break under pressures if your tractor side is ball or regular poppet.

What do you mean what I have there? I have two different connectors. Which are you referring to?

 

[Indygunworks]

A little more progress. Mid state said that those connectors are NOT what they ship with the grapples. So its pointing more towards my Mahindra having the odd connectors (even though they look the same) and that my dealer swapped them out to make them work.

 

[Indygunworks]

Confirmed. The dealer swapped out the connectors. He didn't know what the name of the connectors were, just referred to them as "Mahindra style", and he couldn't tell me what they were interchangeable with, but pioneer fittings will NOT work.

So, I need to order some pioneer fittings 38th in size with a 1/2 O ring end. Any tips on where to look?

Also, would like to figure out what these "Mahindra style" fittings REALLY are.

 

[JK22]

Confirmed. The dealer swapped out the connectors. He didn't know what the name of the connectors were, just referred to them as "Mahindra style", and he couldn't tell me what they were interchangeable with, but pioneer fittings will NOT work.

So, I need to order some pioneer fittings 38th in size with a 1/2 O ring end. Any tips on where to look?

Also, would like to figure out what these "Mahindra style" fittings REALLY are.

I like www.discounthydraulichose.con

 

[Indygunworks]

Also, the dealer had to add a reducer, from whatever the normal hose end was, to 1/2 inch O ring...... What a headache. I think I got it figured out, and probably WAY overpaid, but its piece of mind. I have a set of pioneer connectors coming from MS attachments that they would have sent with the grapple if requested that would have worked with this system, had the dealer not ordered flat faced and taken them off and adapted the system.

84 bucks..... OUCH.

 

[Indygunworks]

In my experience: No.

Well, MS attachments assured me that they would fit, and he saw the same pictures I put on this thread, he knows he is sending me a ball end, that's attaching to the pin end, and said its not a problem. Guess I can just be nervous about it until things show up.

 

[JK22]

Well, MS attachments assured me that they would fit, and he saw the same pictures I put on this thread, he knows he is sending me a ball end, that's attaching to the pin end, and said its not a problem. Guess I can just be nervous about it until things show up.

Good luck. Let us know how it goes!