help pick next tractor

[spitter]

I have narrowed my choices down to 2 tractors that I can afford. My tractor I am upgrading from is a tc 29d . I really like The Tc 29d But it's just too small .I do a lot of loader work with the forks on . Mostly doing rock landscape work .The framer next door gives me all the large rocks I want but some of them I wind up dragging and pushing. So to get to my choices. Tc45d or a dk45 se. I wan't a tractor that has hydro side by side peddles. Nothing with computers or pollution control My tractor sleeps outside. My problem comes from the Kioti has a better lifting capacity.But I think the NH has better build quality. Also I realy like the sloped loader design on the NH. The other thing is that the Nh was built from 98 to 2009 there are a sh t load of them out there . When I look for the kioti they are far and few in between. I have seen videos of the Kioti picking up 2500 lbs . pretty impressive . I know the TC payload is 1600 Lbs. but is that to full hight? Can the DK be really 1000 LBS. stronger or is it more like 500LBS. If any one has made a similar upgrade let me know what u think .Thanks.:drink:

 

[Buppies]

You cannot go wrong with New Holland products in my opinion. Having never owned a Kioti cannot comment only what I read and that is almost always good. At present we own case track skid loader New Holland skid loader New Holland back hoe tractor is Kubota but that is personal use only and deal feel thru on Kioti. Good luck in your search

 

[bspeedy]

Not sure if it would work for you, but for pure lifting power, it's hard to beat a tracked skid steer.

 

[mljenkins]

I had a larger New Holland (workmaster 55) and it was a great tractor and easy to work no, no frills (sat outside without cover a lot of the time). I can’t speak to kioti but you’ll likely be able to get parts as they are fairly common I thought. You may just need to get a service manual and order online. I do think the hood design on the NH tractors helps visibility as they claim, as my new Kubota l6060 I have a harder time seeing out in front. Granted my last tractor sat higher.

Nonetheless, if you can sit in both and drop the loader bucket to the ground and see how much of the bucket you can see (I assume they won’t have forks on at the time) it would be very helpful to your decision. If you are working alone a lot, I would prioritize visibility over capacity unless the capacity is proven extremely significant.

Don’t get hung up on two pedals as some of the tredle designs have an offset essentially to mimic a second pedal. That’s why I added Kubota to my comparison list after realizing this and test driving it and realizing I could live with it. Granted without that offset just back and forth I would have strongly considered another choice, just because I was used to two pedals in the past (my first tractor was a hst with two pedals).

Ps: you may already know all this, but it was something new to me when purchasing... with the lift capacity, some manufactures have the capacity at the lift pins on the loader while others have it so many (maybe 500?) mm forward which is more realistic and of course less. Some are at a certain height and some are at full height. So be careful when comparing those numbers. It was rather difficult to compare lift capacity when I was purchasing because of these differences. I found a common measurement among all the ones I wanted to compare and compared that number, for example if I could only find at the lift pin capacity on every single one I just compared that number.

Good luck.

 

[Thomas]

NH been around for time,but how do you compare service departments?

 

[audsp98]

I have narrowed my choices down to 2 tractors that I can afford. My tractor I am upgrading from is a tc 29d . I really like The Tc 29d But it's just too small .I do a lot of loader work with the forks on . Mostly doing rock landscape work .The framer next door gives me all the large rocks I want but some of them I wind up dragging and pushing. So to get to my choices. Tc45d or a dk45 se. I wan't a tractor that has hydro side by side peddles. Nothing with computers or pollution control My tractor sleeps outside. My problem comes from the Kioti has a better lifting capacity.But I think the NH has better build quality. Also I realy like the sloped loader design on the NH. The other thing is that the Nh was built from 98 to 2009 there are a sh t load of them out there . When I look for the kioti they are far and few in between. I have seen videos of the Kioti picking up 2500 lbs . pretty impressive . I know the TC payload is 1600 Lbs. but is that to full hight? Can the DK be really 1000 LBS. stronger or is it more like 500LBS. If any one has made a similar upgrade let me know what u think .Thanks.:drink:

If you're really interested in NH you'll also want to take a look at LS. For the most part, they make the NH tractors and are better equipped with better prices.

 

[gersus]

I second the recommendation to look at LS. They make the smaller NH's and are thousands cheaper.

 

[spitter]

Thanks for all replies and help. grsus and audsp looked at NH and LS only newer one's have hydro. I don't like cvt too much computers and wires . I would by a boomer 50 or a Boomer 9n in a heart beat if it had a hydro . My dream tractor is a TC55 d with a hydro. MLjenkins looked at l6060 and realy liked new peddle design. At this time I would have to hit the pick 6 to afford one of those.I curse my TC 29 with the big banna peddle every time I'm on it. The lifting capacity is really confusing will the DK only lift 500LBS. a foot higher than the TC ? Head to head would be really nice. bspeddy I hate skidsteers!!! WE have one at work that I can bring home any time.I had it home for 3 years a while back I used to let my 8 year old son drive it he was so much better than me.I think it's a cloustrofobic thing.I can drive every other piece of equipment we have except for that. I would like too Keep the price in the teens But I just might jus wait a while and and trie to save up for a JD 110 TLB . Thanks again.:drink:

 

[Qapla]

If you are considering the JD110 (must be used since they no longer make them) you might want to also look at the Kubota L39 thru the M59 (used, of course) in the price range you mentioned.

 

[2ndhalf]

Not certain of why you think you can only afford those two models but Mahindra makes a notoriously good lifting tractor and many seem to be happy with them.

 

[grm61]

I have narrowed my choices down to 2 tractors that I can afford. My tractor I am upgrading from is a tc 29d . I really like The Tc 29d But it's just too small .I do a lot of loader work with the forks on . Mostly doing rock landscape work .The framer next door gives me all the large rocks I want but some of them I wind up dragging and pushing. So to get to my choices. Tc45d or a dk45 se. I wan't a tractor that has hydro side by side peddles. Nothing with computers or pollution control My tractor sleeps outside. My problem comes from the Kioti has a better lifting capacity.But I think the NH has better build quality. Also I realy like the sloped loader design on the NH. The other thing is that the Nh was built from 98 to 2009 there are a sh t load of them out there . When I look for the kioti they are far and few in between. I have seen videos of the Kioti picking up 2500 lbs . pretty impressive . I know the TC payload is 1600 Lbs. but is that to full hight? Can the DK be really 1000 LBS. stronger or is it more like 500LBS. If any one has made a similar upgrade let me know what u think .Thanks.:drink:

My 2013 DK45SE HST Cab will lift 2765lbs to full height....the engine is all mechanical...injection and governor...: with a throttle cable.. .and a muffler, awesome tractor:thumbsup:

This was the last year of the mechanical ones.

 

[spitter]

Again thanks for replies.:thumbsup: Qapla L 39 Is not hydro. L 48 has treddle peddle. M59 sweet but way out of price range. Only want used pre 2010. Do you still have tc 40 ? How is the lifting capacity with forks ? Is the woods bh 70 mounted to it? How do you like the Tc 40? 2nd half Did not like loader stick position I want one that's down next to seat not on loader frame. Grm 61 Is their any pollution s t on your DK 45 SE? How do you like the overall build quality? I like Kioti's all mechanical levers where others use buttons and wires and computers. Mice and corrosion don't chew through them as easily.Poor baby sleeps outside. Doesn't matter even in barn mice get in. Have you ever had an experience with a NH TC series? Just wondering how they compare? I think Shibaura made tractors had excellent build quality and are very easy to work on very well engineered . Thanks again for all help:cool2::drink:

 

[grm61]

Again thanks for replies.:thumbsup: Qapla L 39 Is not hydro. L 48 has treddle peddle. M59 sweet but way out of price range. Only want used pre 2010. Do you still have tc 40 ? How is the lifting capacity with forks ? Is the woods bh 70 mounted to it? How do you like the Tc 40? 2nd half Did not like loader stick position I want one that's down next to seat not on loader frame. Grm 61 Is their any pollution s t on your DK 45 SE? How do you like the overall build quality? I like Kioti's all mechanical levers where others use buttons and wires and computers. Mice and corrosion don't chew through them as easily.Poor baby sleeps outside. Doesn't matter even in barn mice get in. Have you ever had an experience with a NH TC series? Just wondering how they compare? I think Shibaura made tractors had excellent build quality and are very easy to work on very well engineered . Thanks again for all help:cool2::drink:

No computer, no exhaust treatment, The build quality is very good imo the DKSE series are a deluxe tractor. The 4x4 and pto are engaged with a switch if that scares you?.
Good luck.

FYI The DK40, 45, 50, SE series with the KL401 loader all lift the same, and need to be properly ballasted to lit max weight safely, the factory calls for 1200lbs on the three point

 

[spitter]

No fear with 2 extra wires Just don't like to see buttons and rocker switches all over the place .I have a simplicity legacy and I have been through the wireing on that so many times it makes me sick..Just about every f!@#$%n thing has been replaced . Switches and connectors go every year or so when I change from plow to mower deck. It's always a mistery what's going to go this year. Thanks again:drink:

 

[grm61]

No fear with 2 extra wires Just don't like to see buttons and rocker switches all over the place .I have a simplicity legacy and I have been through the wireing on that so many times it makes me sick..Just about every f!@#$%n thing has been replaced . Switches and connectors go every year or so when I change from plow to mower deck. It's always a mistery what's going to go this year. Thanks again:drink:

You're on the right track wanting to get into a frame size that you can get some work done, a cab with heat and AC, keeps the weather away from you, and your switches, think about it, buy once:drink:

 

[spitter]

The cab has always been the great debate .Would love one but I would have to do some serious pruning to get into parts of my yard . Seems that lots of times I am working directly under trees. Gives me a good excuse to go out and buy the pole saw I always wanted .:thumbsup: I was checking weight and it seems that the kioti weights 700 LBS. more than the NH. But the rear lift is pretty much the same. How do you like your backhoe ?I have been reading about problems with cracks in frames on some models. That much extra weight it must be built heaver duty some where. Front axle must be heaver duty too. Larger front tires on the DK. I 'll have to have to find one and check it out but they seem to be like hens teeth around here. Friggen Kubota heaven. Wish I could find a Kioti dealer close.Thanks again.:drink:

 

[wjb-49]

. . . . . I was checking weight and it seems that the kioti weights 700 LBS. more than the NH. But the rear lift is pretty much the same. How do you like your backhoe ?I have been reading about problems with cracks in frames on some models. That much extra weight it must be built heaver duty some where. Front axle must be heaver duty too. Larger front tires on the DK. . . . .:drink:

Oh no! I am thinking of buying either a DK or NK series Kioti with a backhoe and have not heard about the frame crack problem. Is this a wide spread issue or has it been corrected by Kioti? Thanks.

 

[grm61]

Oh no! I am thinking of buying either a DK or NK series Kioti with a backhoe and have not heard about the frame crack problem. Is this a wide spread issue or has it been corrected by Kioti? Thanks.

I read a post along time ago where a guy had cracked the backhoe subframe....I have used mine a lot and not had any cracking