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We have a 12 cont, 14 surge Coleman commercial set up with transfer switch. On our switch, it just shuts out the electric company and direct to the panel downstairs. What we do is determine what is needed first,, Run the oil furnace for heat, water pump? whatever. We go down stairs and selectively pull on, shut off what panel circuits that we will need. even with 12000 continuous, we still select the need rather than leave all circuits on. I suppose we could just leave all circuits on downstairs as we won't use everything at once to begin with..
 
   / Help! Selecting generator.... #12  
I am getting ready to do what LarryRB has done. I have an electrician friend who convinced me quite easily that instead of a transfer switch combo that has 6 or maybe 12 circuits I would be better off running a manual switch powering the whole service. The reasoning: No need to decide which circuits to have on the generator and no after thoughts that require more electrician work. Just limit the what circuits are powered. That way if you need something else powered you just shut something else down and power up the one that is needed. Requires more operator intervention and probably not for sombody that that doesn't understand load and draw but certainly much more versatile.

I caution that what is going to be done is not back feeding the main panel. There will be no chance or ability of sending generator power to the grid and frying a line man.

Regards,
Kevin
 
   / Help! Selecting generator.... #13  
I've been thinking about generators as well, given that I've had no power for the last week. I went out to the garage and just counted up the wattage of each circuit I want to power in my breaker panel. I counted that to run everything, based on the breaker ratings which are sized for the surge current, I would need a 59kW generator. I don't want to run everything, just some circuits.

My biggest item to power is the 3 ton central AC system, which has a 50A breaker for the compressor and condensor, and draws about 1/2 (roughly 350W) hp for the air handler. Reason I want to run the central AC is beause the house got very muggy and damp during the week the power was out, and I want to keep it dry. I figure $3k for a generator to power the central AC is a whole lot less than replacing all the wallboard after it starts to grow mold. I think I can power everything I want with a 15kW continuous machine, assuming I shut off the A/C before I run the water pump. I'm looking at a Generac that runs on gasoline, and a Honda that runs on either Propane or gasoline. I like the dual fuel machine since it gives me more options to run it after a hurricane blows through, and I could chain the propane machine tho the patio in the back so nobody steals it, and not have to worry as much about noxious fumes from the exhaust so close to the house. Gas is really hard to get after a hurricane, diesel would need to be purchased in volume and it an go bad after time, but propane stores indefinately and it runs the rest of my house anyway (water heater, stove, dryer).

I'm going to wire a sub panel into the main panel, and power the main panel through a sub panel with the generator. I already have a master cutoff switch to turn off power from the meter, so that portion is done. I don't want an automatic transfer switch because I don't want the generator to run any time the power goes out, I want to manually start it whenever power goes out for significant periods of time. I also am planning on just turning off the breakers in the main panel for the outlets I don't want to run. My main concern is the central AC, water pump, some lights, the refrigrator, and maybe the microwave. However, I have a gas stove/oven so cooking really isn't an issue even with no power so the microwave is optional. As a power saving idea I'm also planning on replacing all my bulbs (lots of 60W and 100W) and installing the 13W flourescent bulbs. Doing this removes a little more than 1kW from the required generator size.

These are my preliminary thoughts as I prepare to spend about $4000 for everything. Trying to think things through before I spend the money.
 
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You may want to install two manual transfer switches. One for the 120 volt loads and one for the 240 volt loads. Home Depot had the Square D switches for $89. On the 240 volt switch you can connect your water heater and electric range. I have one auto transfer switch and two manual switches. On my second switch, I have my heat pump. I also have a list of loads that can run at the same time. You must MANAGE the switches.
 
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Jared, I hope you didn't suffer any damage in the storm, and that you're ready for the next one which seems determined to at least rain all over everyone again.
Sounds like you're going through the right process to determine what you need in a gen set. I don't know if I'd risk getting Generac after all the bad PR that brand has gotten on here. John
 
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What do you guys think about the Winco standby generators? You don't hear too much about them. John
 
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Greenville , While I can't state much about their standby gens,I can say that their portables are nothing short of stone reliable . We've run two of them everyday for 5 and 7 years respectively on job sites . They don't receive any TLC to be sure . Basically they get fuel when they're out . They get oil when they need it . Basically they are abused . But they never fail to start and supply power . John
 
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Let me add another question to this thread... Lately, I too have been living off generator thanks to Charly and Frances. Even my phone line does not work properly. I am using a GPRS phone for internet modem...

Last night I had a conversation with my dad who lives in PA. He has a 15kw LP powered generator with a 500lb LP tank. He said the 500lb tank only lasted 3 days powering the generator. That's almost $200/day to run it! Does that sound right? At that cost, I am better off with my 10kw gasoline generator which consumes 1/2 gal per hour. That means gasoline averages $35 a day vs 200/day for propane. My dad is in his 70's and he may be mistaken, but I would like someone to clarify LP consumption since it is in pounds not gallons.

Thanks,

Joe
 
   / Help! Selecting generator.... #19  
I think you've got the range right. The most important consideration would be the start up load of your biggest drawing device. Its highly unlikely they would all come on at the same time unless you went without power for a while and started up the generator with all loads on.

My house works perfect with a 6500 generator. I have radient heat, so the biggest electrical power load for the heater is a couple small cirulators.

If a well is a big issue, its less of an issue at 220 volts because the current draw is minimal.

One bit of warning about forced air, though: the start up loads on the blower motors can be huge. When I live in Quebec a number of years ago we went without power for 10 days. I had gas forced air. My friend had a generator with enough juice to power the blower which was on a 15A 110 volt circuit, but the breaker on the generator would pop whenever the blower started up.

Not that you are planning on it, but a hear pump would be hoorendously wastful to heat with via a generator. A propane backup would make more sense.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Let me add another question to this thread... Lately, I too have been living off generator thanks to Charly and Frances. Even my phone line does not work properly. I am using a GPRS phone for internet modem...

Last night I had a conversation with my dad who lives in PA. He has a 15kw LP powered generator with a 500lb LP tank. He said the 500lb tank only lasted 3 days powering the generator. That's almost $200/day to run it! Does that sound right? At that cost, I am better off with my 10kw gasoline generator which consumes 1/2 gal per hour. That means gasoline averages $35 a day vs 200/day for propane. My dad is in his 70's and he may be mistaken, but I would like someone to clarify LP consumption since it is in pounds not gallons.

Thanks,

Joe )</font>

Maybe your dad can clarify or double check his figures because he has this already running and setup. I always thought the LP and propane were so much more efficient
than gasoline generators. I would be interested in finding out
how long a tank will last based on your size requirements vs a gasoline version which is more straight forward..

Let us know what figures your dad has again and see if its accurate..

Duc
 

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