Help Untwist my HST Brain, please...

   / Help Untwist my HST Brain, please... #31  
Don't know if has already been said but if you are using your loader to lift and curl in a pile of dirt then that is taking away from you hydraulic power which will kill/stall the tractor the high gear uphill is it simply doesn't have the torque to move it further. Much the torque converter on a car. Just a thought!!!
 
   / Help Untwist my HST Brain, please...
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After half-following Junkman's advice last night [only emptied one of those glasses, and substituted a reading lamp for the sun lamp] I have concluded that the only way to answer this question with sure certainty is to take thcri up on his offer. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Murf, I will be counting on you to get me a nice room at that chic hotel you mentioned if I make it up your way. I bet they have excellent breakfasts. I love a little mayo on my BLTs and other dishes, so I can tell you are a master of selection just by seeing that place's name! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

My plan is to contact Murf by private message, when the time is right, after assembling some reading material. I will need to take something extra, because the wife just gave me "that look" again when I suggested we head up Murf's way, to stay at a fine local establishment he had recommended. I told her the name of the place Murf recommended and she gave me a special, understanding look and the matter appeared settled. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif I guess I will be going alone… /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

The only appropriate reading material I can think of bringing is a couple tractor maintenance manuals. Maintenance manuals along with being interesting most of the time, have the side benefit of putting me quickly to sleep if opened late in the evening. I better get on the phone to my dealer and order the manuals I should have bought last year. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Many thanks to everyone for thier input. I now have an "understanding" of what may be happening to HST tractors when they do things differently than a gear tractor would... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif The manuals should show me if my perception and reality are close to being the same... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Murf, the wife made a passing comment about the white uniforms everyone wears, at that place your recommended, on the floor where I'll be staying. Wonder what that’s all about. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / Help Untwist my HST Brain, please... #33  
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Murf, the wife made a passing comment about the white uniforms everyone wears, at that place your recommended, on the floor where I'll be staying. Wonder what that’s all about. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif )</font>

If she is questioning the white uniforms I wonder what she is going to say about all the padded walls??? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Murph
 
   / Help Untwist my HST Brain, please... #34  
We'll leave the light on. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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   / Help Untwist my HST Brain, please... #35  
Alright Bill........

I read it all and I come to the conclusion that you indeed have a bad case of retirement cabin fever. The holes in the ROPS are one thing. I think the whining isn't coming from your HST, it's coming from inside your head!!

If you want to really drill something, why don't you drill a small hole in your HST case. That would eliminate the whining as well as forward movement!!

Just think about this summer. I'll come with the camper and you, me and Cerberus will go fishing up on Meade Run. Of course we will invite Mike (Pa) along and everyone else, especially those North East boys. Think about warm weather, outside, grass growing and mosquito's biting.

Seriously, I did like the whirlpool bath at the Holiday Inn. Especially that the company paid for it. I really needed a massage but there were no massage parlors nearby!!

Double seriously, I can stall the 5030 in "H" range but only if the rpm's are at an idle. Same applies in "M" range. In "L" range, it just spins the wheels. I never tried it on concrete, I am afraid it would snap an axle.
 
   / Help Untwist my HST Brain, please... #36  
I think that what is happening to your tractor is what you want to happen, and here is why:

1. Without a pressure reliefs, the engine would be stalling all the time whenever the required torque to spin any or all of the pumps goes too high. Every time a cylinder hit the end of its travel or the tractor was unable to pull or push something any harder, the engine would stall. (or a hose or seal might pop). This would make it hard to use.

2. If the sum of all the PRV's was set to never exceed the available engine torque, then the engine would never stall, but you could never deliver full engine torque to any one part of the tractor. Say we divided the torque evenly between HST, steering, and loader. Each would always have a mximum of 1/3 of the available torque of the engine. The loader would be whimpy, the push/pull would not be very useful, and your steering would be imitating JClark's machine.

3. So the compromise is to set each PRV slightly below stalling torque. Say maybe 80%. Any one system can be used with nearly the full power of the engine and still have a minimal amount of remaining torque to at least run the other systems with no load. But, if you max out more than one system at a time, the engine stalls.

4. Many one-pump (not including the HST) systems give "priority" to the steering. This is kind of a safety thing. You wouldn't want the steering to stop working while the tractor happily chugged off the side of the road.

5. Like the I-match system, you could have one of the other systems back-off its load if the engine starts to stall. On I-match, they chose to back off the HST. A very good idea when running a tiller or a loader. You can still get full power to the implement, you just move slower.

Many tractors are in situation 3. Some are in 4. Some newer tractors have situation 5.

- Rick
 
   / Help Untwist my HST Brain, please... #37  
What kind of tree was that again? What happens when you push it over? When it falls will it make a noise? Will you be able to hear it over the HST whine? All in all, sounds like you need a BIGGER tractor! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Help Untwist my HST Brain, please... #38  
Man o man, that would scare the mites off a chickins butt ! Ha Ha . Good job.
 

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