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   / Here we go again #21  
Actually, what it will do is force most suits that happen today into binding arbitration. Franz would have probably come out much better that way and there is probably a clause in the insurance that allows it.

I got nailed that same way when my son was in an accident that was clearly caused by a County road crew. My best witness was the State Trooper that investigated the accident.

My insurance company had some type of deal with the county's insurer that caused my insurer to pay all the costs associated with the accident and get reimbursed a set amount by the county. But that meant that my son had to pay his deductible AND he had a chargeable event against his insurance. Bad news for a teenaged boy.

I demanded third party arbitration, as allowed in my insurance contract, and got it. In the end, my son did not pay anything, his car was fixed and he had no chargeable event on his record. I don't care what agreement they had with the other company.

The few that might get shafted by a loser pays system is nothing compared to the millions getting shafted by the current system. The woman that got 6mil for hot coffee in her lap didn't get 6mil of McDonalds money. She got 6mil of everyone's money that eats at McDonalds. She got the money of the min wage people that didn't get hired or that got layed off. She is the reason that the small shake that cost .95 cents three years ago cost $1.95 today. The reason that a large coffee that cost .60 cents three years ago cost $1.25 today. The cost of ingredients didn't go up that much over the past 3 years. The cost of doing business did.

As for incompetent doctors being protected by a loser pays system, if anyone is depending on the courts to deal with doctors they are playing ball in the wrong park. With some exceptions, civil courts don't generally punish doctors beyond monetary damages. Incompetent doctors have to be dealt with by the state medical boards that issue license to practice in that state. Criminal courts deal with criminal negligence cases.

I went to the doctor three weeks ago because I was getting some dizzy spells. My insurance company had to pay for a $1500 MRI on my head to eliminate what we already new wasn't the problem. They had to do that because the doctor has to cover his a$$. The doctor has to cover his a$$ because of the current system.
 
   / Here we go again #22  
I went to a local orthopaedics outfit with a knee problem (I've had seven surgeries on them over the years) and the first thing the nurse wanted to do was take X-rays. I declined and she became more than a little hostile telling me the doctor would want them and it was their "policy."

I explained to her that my "policy" was to talk with the doctor first and be examined. If, after that he felt X-rays might help I'd have them then. She left in a huff and when the doc was ready to come in my exam room I could hear her telling him her version of my uncooperativeness. As soon as he entered I introduced myself and said, "I'm the evil problem patient you just heard all about." He then apologized for her and we got along fine.

Though I never did get X-rays, the charge for them did appear on my bill. I contacted the administrator of the practice about that and got not only my X-ray portion refunded, but the entire $182 as well.
 
   / Here we go again #23  
<font color=blue>Incompetent doctors have to be dealt with by the state medical boards that issue license to practice in that state.</font color=blue>

Maybe in some states, but not in Texas. You might want to read the story in The Dallas Morning News today about our medical board at <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/072802dnprodoctors.57c26.html>this site </A>. I think Texas is a haven (or should it be heaven?) for incompetent, uncaring, and/or crooked doctors.
 
   / Here we go again #24  
That article doesn't change anything. It isn't saying that civil courts deal with medical license's. It is telling you that the body charged with that responsibility in your state is not doing it's job. Tort reform will have no effect on that issue one way or the other.
 
   / Here we go again #25  
<font color=blue>Tort reform will have no effect on that issue one way or the other.</font color=blue>

Actually ozarker it will. Without the threat of higher insurance rates because of the scumbags mistakes the scumbags will be the winners and John Q Public will be the loser.

Litigation comes about when there is an injured party. If the professionals are held to high standards then there will be fewer injured parties.

We don't need tort reform. We need stricter guidelines with real punishment for those who break the rules or in other ways put the public at risk. This goes for doctors, accountants, stock brokers, officers of corporations, and even policemen. And yes, even contractors should be held to a higher power.
 
   / Here we go again #26  
Hi Harv,I haven't been here for months, ...and the first thing I stumble on is this "ludicrous lawsuit" thread.We seem to have differing views of the character of (at least a significant number of )attorneys. Whatever the truth of the matter, given your stalwart defense of the group, I sure would feel better about it if you had at least included them in the list of groups to be held accountable for "injury".If they are to be exempt, then the common view of the lot as circling scanvengers egging-on any and all adversaries for their own gain (not to mention tailoring laws to-that-end, as they advance in their chosen "profession"), will only be reinforced.Wonder where OJ would be today if justice, rather than a win-tally and hot-shot "rep" (oh yeah, and money...almost forgot) was really the goal of his attorneys? I know, I know, only doing their job. And a dirty one it is, ..but sombody DOES have to do it. Our "system" may be the best , but BOY is it imperfect!I'm fer-sure a hard sell, when it comes to the character and integrity of attorneys as-a-group. My personal philosophy-vote goes for more personal responsibility and less non-combatant profit from disputes.Somebody shoots me, ...it's the gun manufacturer's fault.I get fat, ...it's the restaurant's fault. Nobody in their right mind would suggest these things are true, without some lawyer waving $bills in their face.Bestow upon me an interlude of respite ;-)Larry
 
   / Here we go again #27  
If I was the defense here, I would just petition the court for a ruling of "Incapacitation through mental incompetence", against the plaintiff. Once the shrinks get a hold of him. There will be little merit to his attack on corporate fast food.
 
   / Here we go again #28  
Morning Larry,

I guess it would be shocking to wake up one morning and find me as a veteran member out of nowhere here at TBN. A whole world of wregular and irwregular harvs and the only truly wroughtn one, well here, defending and lauding lawyers.

Of course lawyers needed to be on my list of professionals that need to be more professional. It was an obvious and very unprofessional error on my part to not put them on the list.

This early in the morning I can't think of a profession besides lawyering that is so biased against one side of a situation. It sure as heck isn't preaching salvation or repairing the car or making the plumbing work. Even your accountant isn't so aligned with your best interests as your attorney is supposed to be.

When you hire an attorney his one and only interest is in your best interest. He's there to insure you get the best deal possible under the circumstances. Of course that means if the other party is their own attorney and they lose their shirt and their pants too, well, they should have hired their own attorney, fighting fire with fire you might say. After all the attorney isn't there to insure there is justice. He's there to insure that his customer gets the best possible deal for them under those circumstances.

They get their bad rep from the losing party of course. The reason they lost their shirt and pants on the deal wasn't because they were stupid or did something totally ignorant. They lost them and their socks too just because some attorney was crooked and heartless.

As for the statement about the attorneys waving dollar bills in front of folks being a problem in our society. To blame all attorneys for that would be like saying shoe sales people shouldn't be trusted because the used car dealer at the local tote the note lot screwed a friend. When in fact the local tote the note dealer was the only one who would bet on the friend for credit and deserved to be rewarded for taking the chance.

The fat food lawsuit is going to be an interesting one. I find it intriguing that an attorney would take it on. The motivation has to be self serving of course, that's what makes humans tick. The attorney might be a smuck going for the publicity.

But then again the attorney in question might be an idealist on a quest for justice. Or it might be a situation where some real sharp cookie has found a point of law that is relevant and appropriate and we might be entering a whole new world defining just what personal responsibility really is. Then again some attorney might have one of those customers that insist on plunging ahead darn the consequences. And the attorney is only an advocate for the client. His function is to advise first and the do what the client wants to the best of his her ability that is appropriate under the law. If the lawyer has told the customer they don't stand the chance of a snowball in death valley in July but that client wants to take that chance then he has to take that chance.

After all in today's climate that client might find the attorney's fee money well spent if he can get interviewed by Matt Laurer instead of Jerry Springer. /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif
 
   / Here we go again #29  
"If the lawyer has told the customer they don't stand the chance of a snowball in death valley in July but that client wants to take that chance then he has to take that chance."

I reckon they're hoping the Fast Food companies will settle out of court. I hope the judge determines this is a frivolous case and tosses it out with prejudice.
 
   / Here we go again #30  
What I'd like to see come out of this Roy is a new perspective of just what each of us has as far as liability in that thing called "personal responsibility". I see a great opportunity for some wonderful discussions. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 

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