High Gasoline Prices Getting to You???????

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   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You??????? #21  
I'm a little slow maybe someone can help me out.

The news says that the reason crude oil is over $65 a barrel is because the refineries are "at capacity". If the world is pumping more crude then we can refine shouldn't this have the opposite effect on the price of crude oil?
 
   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You??????? #22  
I filled up yesterday for $2.619/g and my wife hit the same station today for $2.969/g. OUCH!

I'm swapping the oil fired hot water heater out for an electric unit this weekend. The oil unit still works but it's 10+ years old and requires an annual $100 tuneup. The break even point for oil and electric for me is $2/g, (not counting the annual service). When I installed the oil fired unit oil was well under $.75/g, now there is talk that fuel oil will break $3/g this winter.
 
   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You??????? #23  
Curt, No one seems to dwell on that aspect of the supply and demand equation.

Ben
 
   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You??????? #24  
2 reasons:
1.) The US is not the only consumer
2.) the refineries are the bottleneck.

#2 is going to become more painfully obvious in the coming weeks as it appears a fair percentage of our import and refining capacity will be off-line for some time. Given the rate of change in local prices I expect $3.75-$4.00/gallon of regular by the end of September. If this keeps up I'm gonna have to put an electric fence around my firewood /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You??????? #25  
Frank, it's been a lot of years ago, but my Dad used to own service stations. The "profit" or markup on gasoline back then was about 10%; i.e., 3 cents a gallon on 30 cent gasoline. In those days, most stations were individually owned, not owned by the oil companies, and gasoline sales paid the overhead; i.e., rent, utilities, etc. Oil, filters, grease jobs, wash jobs, tires and tire repairs provided the "profit." And 50% of the service stations in the nation went broke or changed hands each year.

Of course we didn't have the shortages we're currently faced with, but we did periodically have "gas wars" among the companies, and the station owners had to adjust their prices when the oil companies told them to; i.e., you had to have a contract with an oil company to provide the gasoline and that contract, as well as the competition, limited what you could charge. We usually, but not always, had a few days warning when price changes were coming. So if prices were "normal" and we knew a price war was coming, we tried to run our tanks down low, so we could fill them at the lower price, but if we had too much on hand when the price dropped, we actually lost money by selling for less than we paid. Of course on the other hand, during a price war we wanted to keep our tanks full so when prices went back up, we made a few cents extra.

It was a tough business to be in, but by working 16 hours a day and providing excellent service Dad and I made a living at it.
 
   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You???????
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The refinery's in the rest of the world are taking all the barrels of oil that they can get. The countries of China and India have dramatically increased their use of petroleum products in the past few years. This increase, plus the situation in Iraq where virtually no oil is being produced has put a major shortage of crude on the world market. Even though we are the largest user of energy, there are other countries that are catching up to us. Only when the supply of crude is greater than the world wide demand, will the price of crude come down. With the economy of China growing, and the fact that they have a huge supply of US dollars, they can and are willing to pay more to get that barrel of crude. Think of these other countries as individuals being extremely wealthy..... you don't care how much it cost to fill your tank, as long as you have the money to pay for it, cost is irrelevant. They need to keep feeding their economy with oil to keep producing the goods that the world wants, so to do that, they pay more for the barrel just to get it...... Professor Junkman, Economics 101 /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You??????? #27  
slowrev - I agree Exxon/Mobil's are up ( a good thing) but if you look at the stock price there is little movement in the last 4 to 5 months.

Really the stock price is WELL below what is was back in 3-2005.
 
   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You??????? #28  
Not bothering me too much since I do not own a diesel auto or an SUV.

Now when the higher price "trickle down" to other things I am sure like everyone else I will whine and complain. It will give me something to talk about.

But in the end, 90% of people are not changing their habits. Plus diesel is still over $0.50 more per gallon. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You??????? #29  
People will stop complaining about the prices when there is no fuel to purchase -

Get ready - it's coming, it's already here in the south - no gas or diesel at many stations today
 
   / High Gasoline Prices Getting to You??????? #30  
Bring it on. Mad Max made it work! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Again, I still see more the 50% SUV or diesel trucks ridding around. Nevermind the land rovers, vipers, H2.......Most times you do not see car owners whining.


You are out of gas because of your location, not lack of fuel....
 
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