Hinomoto E-2304 Problems

[artfull dodger]

Sounds like you found the problem! Replace that gasget, I usualy will get new head bolts if they are avaible, just a personal preferance, I dont think they used the TTY style head bolts that can only be used once. Hope your able to come up with the needed head gasget. Mike

 

[lens12]

I can't find an email from you. I did receive one from someone from Florida that I replied to on 1/5/09. Did you use the email address that is at the end of this post. I can supply you with parts. There is an email address that I quite using 4 years ago that is still being posted on some websites. If the seller had to use ether to start it, it probably had low compression to start. It might be a good idea to check your ring end gap to see if the rings are warn. I would aslo recommed bleeding it correctly. Did you bleed the the bleed screws on the filter assembly & injector pump? Bleeding the injectors does not bleed the fuel system. The pump compresses the air in the pump. Breaking the injector lines will not get all the air out. You won't damage the injectors by pressurizing the cylinders. The injector pop pressure is over 1920 psi.

 

[tsdial]

Mr. Sheaffer,

I sent you an e-mail earlier today-for some reason I couldn't get on here. The address I sent it to was either sheaftractor@grics.net or parts@sheaftractor.net ( I think this is where I sent the prior e-mail). Anyway, I'm going to post it here and then resend it again. Here is the message:

Mr. Sheaffer,



I tried to go to the forum to get the e-mail you referred to (I received notification and a copy of your post via e-mail this morning) but I can't seem to get on the site. I can go anywhere else on the internet, but not there. I'm the person who posted on Tractorbynet that I was waiting to hear back from you on parts. Whichever e-mail address I used (it might even have been this one) I requested a read receipt on it and actually got one, so if you're not using whichever one it is, somebody else is-I hope that doesn't create problems for you.



Thanks for the info with the post-when I pulled the head, there did appear to be a small gap leading from the middle cylinder to the front one, which of course would explain the lack of compression in those 2 cylinders. I haven't actually checked the ring gap, but visually things look good. No scoring of the cylinder walls. As far as bleeding the fuel lines, I did it all the way down the line, starting at the filter and ending at the injectors. I put new glow plugs in it, as 2 of the 3 were dead. It would almost start, hitting a little every now and then (this was with me blowing hot air from a heat gun down the intake) and puffing out black smoke, so I think I was getting fuel okay.



Anyway, the parts I want to get pricing/availability are (including the Hinomoto parts number, if I have it, from my parts book-feel free to double-check me on the numbers, as I don't know how accurate this book is):



Head Gasket 6251-1111-00-1

Or

Gasket set cylinder head 6251-0954-00-1 (if this is available, and if it has all of the gaskets for things like the intake and exhaust manifolds, this would be the better choice-I didn't pull the intake or exhaust loose, but I'm sure they're due to have new gaskets)



Gasket, fuel injector 1601-1201-00-0 (I'm thinking this is the copper washer-type gasket at the bottom of the injectors-I pulled out the injectors, took them apart and cleaned them. When I did this, I noticed that 2 of these were thick and cone-shaped on one side. The third was just a flat copper washer, so I'm thinking someone lost one at one point and just stuck this in)



Injector assembly 5701-1210-00-0 (I don't think these are bad, but when I disassembled them I may have mixed up the shims in them-I didn't realize at first that they were different sizes)



Fuel filter assembly 6051-5105-00-1 (if there's a cheaper generic version, by all means let's look at that. The reason I'm looking at replacing it is because one of the bleeder screws stripped out and I had to put a longer bolt with no bleeder hole in it)



From what I've read on the board, it´s unlikely the fuel injection pump is bad, but if you feel it's at all possible, price it as well : 6231-5101-00-1



Also, if there are any general rebuild kits available for different items (such as the hydraulic pump, rear lift, etc., fuel injection pump, etc.) please let me know.



I know it's a pain to look up and price all these things. I own a small heating and a/c company myself, and have people ask me to price things all the time. I can promise you the difference is I'm definitely going to be buying at least some parts. I'm trying to decide whether to keep this thing or get rid of it. My wife has pretty much agreed to a brand new tractor but I hate spending all that money if I don't need to, as much as I'd love to have a new Kioti! Either way, I'm going to have to get this one running again, even if I'm getting rid of it. It's been a good little tractor, a learning experience for me as it's my first. I grew up in the country, but we never had a tractor. I've really overworked this poor little thing, and probably do need a bigger one. But if I'm going to keep it, I'm going to fix it up right-I hate having little things that don't work right. When I bought it, I immediately got all the documentation I could on it, and changed fluids and filters. Even after doing that, it seems to me the 3 point lift is kind of slow and weak, but then again, I have no point of reference to judge it accurately.



I also may end up having to replace some parts in the front axle-when pulling this thing about 30 yards to the garage, my son and I noticed the front wheels were dragging, even though it was in neutral and even after we stopped and pulled the 4WD lever back to disengage it. I'm hoping that is just because I need to get it running again for it to disengage fully.



Thanks for wading through all this, and please let me know something as soon as you're able to.



Thanks again,

Thomas S. "Tad" Dial

 

[Springdrl]

I have a good friend who did the same thing with his Hinomoto/Massey 220. I replaced the head gasket with a Massey part and used the same head bolts. That was over three years ago and she still starts and runs as good as ever. Just be sure to tighten the bolts in the required sequence and amounts with a good torque wrench.

 

[tsdial]

At this point I'm just waiting for the parts to arrive (Mr. Sheaffer has them on order, and it sounds like they may get here soon) but you bring up a point which has been on my mind-exactly what are the torque specs and the bolt tightening sequence? I hope that info comes with the gasket kit, or maybe Mr. Sheaffer can tell me. Anybody here that knows, feel free to chime in!

Tad

 

[buppy69]

Also, they will need to be retorqued after a few hours. Generally, you start in the middle and go in a circular pattern towards the outside. I will get the specs tonight if you don't already have them by then.

Eugene

 

[tsdial]

No sir, I don't have them yet, if you can get them I would really appreciate it.

Tad

 

[buppy69]

Torque the 12mm bolts to 35 ft/lbs
Torque the 10mm bolts to 17 ft/lbs
Then torque the 12mm bolts to70 ft/lbs and the 10mm bolts to 35 ft/lbs.
Start eith the second bolt back over the cylinders and work in a clockwise direction on the 12 mm bolts. Do the 10 mm bolts after the 12's and go from front to rear.

Eugene

 

[tsdial]

Thanks, Eugene-I really appreciate it. Just waiting for the gasket kit, and now you've got me taken care of on the install end. I was really concerned about installing it w/o the proper torque settings and sequence.

Tad

 

[Tractors4u]

I have had many Hinomotos and had glow plug problems before. I replaced three once and they all burnt out within a week. After talking to the mechanic at the Massey dealer he told me to replace the ignition switch. They tend to go bad and will keep the glow plugs burning until they burn out.