hobby farm tractor

   / hobby farm tractor #11  
Not disagreeing with your main point, but I highly suspect these numbers.

I just threw that number out there. I know it's a lot but have no idea on exact numbers...
 
   / hobby farm tractor #12  
Mahindra, an Indian tractor company, sells more tractors than anyone else. That's certainly not to say that Kubota and Deere aren't good recommendations, (I have two Kubota machines, a wheel loader and an excavator) but they don't sell the most tractors.
I wasn't talking worldwide, but here in the states where it would matter to me. I live in the Midwest where farming is in our blood. Can't remember ever seeing a Mahindra on any farm that I have been on, or along side the road mowing, or on a jobsite....
 
   / hobby farm tractor #13  
Not disagreeing with your main point, but I highly suspect these numbers.

Those numbers, if they're accurate, likely include 100+ horsepower machines; this is a market the Korean manufacturers are small players in, and I don't believe you're seeing anything over 150 horsepower from them.
 
   / hobby farm tractor #14  
Mahindra, an Indian tractor company, sells more tractors than anyone else. That's certainly not to say that Kubota and Deere aren't good recommendations, (I have two Kubota machines, a wheel loader and an excavator) but they don't sell the most tractors.

And,

That sales number is 'influenced' by the number of small 2 wheel walk behind models they sell.
 
   / hobby farm tractor #15  
Like others wrote, if the hooking up of the PTO is the main problem look at quick hitch solutions.
Buying used tractors is often a "pig in a poke". And if your going same size or larger DEF can be a problem.
I'd suggest look at:
1. Your method/location of implement storage and hook up. If you unhook/hookup with your implement on the ground it's a royal pain.
When I got my B7610 w/ Box Blade (BB) I had to drop the BB in the grass, and moving it was a pain in the ###. And that's a small BB. I learned to drop it on a piece of plywood so I could skid it around. I've since graduated to concrete floors with implements on furniture dollies.
Two $10 HF dollys supporting pallets (gotten free from the lumber yard) on a concrete floor make it easy to slide my 5' bush hog, or my BB, or my tiller around. (I use 3 dollies for my Jinma 800lb chipper and my 900lb backhoe.)
2. How your PTO hooks up tractor to pto shaft
I there are different type types of tractor to PTO shaft hook ups, some have a collar, some have a pin (and the darn shaft seems to get heavier every year since I passed 70). Know the type you have, jury rig something to support the shaft at about the correct height.
AND
There are advancements in PTO hookups like Tractor PTO Link where you hook on an adapter.
Like others mentioned take a look at your 3-pt arms - extendables are a big plus.

There are many you-tube videos to show easier ways to hook up a 3pt, it's a fact of life. Some even goe Euro style.

And while your at it with the money you save over getting another tractor replace the pin-on bucket with a quick attach system and add a grapple and/or pallet forks. :)
 
   / hobby farm tractor #16  
We are looking to replace an older Kubota 3710 for our 40 acre hobby farm (photo below) with another used tractor. We use the bucket a lot, cultivator and mowing deck attachments (for pastures and gardens), but hooking them up to the PTO is a real pain. Looking for advice on replacement tractor. The mid-mounted permanent mower decks sound great but then you sacrifice ground clearance. I don't pretend to be mechanically gifted and appreciate any advice.
If the main problem with the 3710 is that hooking up the mower is a task, consider two used tractors - one with a loader and the other for mowing.
You already have one. The older 3710 is also a preferred pre-emssions vintage, and should be good for a few decades yet.
For example, you could remove the 3710's loader and it woud become the mowing, 3pt, and PTO tractor.
It should last about forever in that duty.

Then for a new - used - tractor, I would look for a new loader tractor - probably something with a backhoe from Kubota's TLB line since you iike their products. Look at models like a B26, L39, or L48 -all TLBs with thumbs on the hoe which are handy for older folks. TLBs tend to be more stable and heavier built than ag tractors - though some used ones get used too hard. But that is true of anything.

We took that route and use the stong little backhoe much more for lifting and placing things than for digging - but it does that nicely too.
When buyng used, it all depends on being willng to pay the price for a good used one. But they are out there, and I remain convinced that people can successfully buy used. You will know it when you see it.
luck,
rScotty
 
   / hobby farm tractor #17  
And,

That sales number is 'influenced' by the number of small 2 wheel walk behind models they sell.
Interesting. Didn't know that. Too bad you can't get them here in the US. The old Gravely 2 wheel tractors were a great concept, IMO.
 
   / hobby farm tractor #18  
SFW could you explain why you want to sell this tractor? ie PTO connection, want cab, unreliable, ergonomics, etc?
I look at this tractor and see a perfectly good tractor.
If you are having issues with connecting the pto, are you keeping the "thumb button"/"locking collar" lubed up ?
Other members on other threads have had favourable things to say on the "GST" type gearbox, so you are not on a base model tractor.

Are you sure you can't make some upgrades and save a bunch of money? ie 3rd service loader(if not already got), quick hitch for 3ph, more rear SCVs if needed, possibley a rops canopy, etc

What is your budget?
 
   / hobby farm tractor #19  
When I think of a large purchase like a tractor, I want something that will last the long haul. I bought my tractor with the intentions on having it until I die. So with that said, I wanted something that I knew parts support would still be there decades down the road. I did a LOT of research. I spoke to tractor mechanics, I spoke to service centers, and I spoke to owners. What I learned from the service centers and mechanics at independent shops was that brands like TYM, Kioti, Branson etc., they had a LOT of issues with parts support. One service center said they had Kioti's sitting in the back lot waiting months on parts. I also seen some of these off-brand tractor dealers open shop and then close down within a few years. So I had no faith in these little dealers selling the Korean tractors. The one thing I heard over and over was if you wanted a long term reliability, then you needed to look at Deere and Kubota. They sell more tractors than anyone else, for every 1 Korean tractor, there were 500 JD or Kubota tractors sold. So years down the road, chances are you'll find a part for these tractors before you'll find one for the lesser known tractors. That was important to me. Another isse I had with the Korean tractors was I felt they used inferior steel in their construction. I see far more steel related issues in these tractors than what I do in JD or Kubota. The parts support is getting better with the Korean tractors but I am not just talking about today's parts supply, but also the parts supply for them 30 years from now. While there will be ten's of thousands of old used JD's and Kubotas around, there won't be near as many of the off-brand Korean tractors out there.

I also wanted no part of the whole emissions world they put on these tractors. I have dealt with the emission issues on my diesel trucks and it was costly. So with my tractor, I wanted a bare bones, no emissions, all mechanical tractor that didn't need all of these sensors to run properly.

I chose a Kubota L2502 and it's an awesome tractor that does everything I could ask for on my 20 acres. And as many of these that are sold, I should be able to find parts for it even 30 years from now.

We all have different opinions and this one is mine...
"for every 1 Korean tractor, there were 500 JD or Kubota tractors sold"

That is not even close to correct, not anymore anyway.

Neil from Messack's did a Youtube video not too long ago where he let slip a bombshell statistic that between JD and Kubota combined, they only hold 65-75% of the US market share (in the up to 50 hp market). You may think that is huge, but it used to be MUCH greater, 80-90% just a few decades prior. So the "big guys" are losing market share at a fairly significant rate.

He also stated in this video, that there are now 10 times more small tractors (up to 50 hp) sold new in the market than there are large Ag tractors. So the CUT/SCUT market is pretty big in general.


I personally think that drop in market share will continue at the same rate, as the "Big 2" are just ripe for the taking. At least around here, their dealers act like they are too big to fail and that customers are lucky to have them and owe them their allegiance. Much like IH's market attitude in the 60's and 70's.

Much of your concern about dealer and service support is quite valid. Some brands and dealers come and go like a fart in a skillet. Some get bought out (Branson's parent company, Kukje, was bought by TYM and their product line was folded into the TYM product line, for example). And some disappear entirely. In my case, my dealer is long gone. There are still TYM dealers (some are former Branson dealers, and some are not) around, but the only one in my state now is over 4 hrs away, which may as well be on the moon to be any good to me. TYM is trying to get more market share and open more dealers around the country, but it seems a slow process.

But it would take a company with the long term fortitude to survive and make deep inroads into the US market to really penetrate well. Think of what Kubota went through in the 60's and 70's in order to penetrate the US market. Once derided and vilified by the "Big 2" of the day (JD and IH), they are now firmly entrenched as a market mainstay.

Maybe another company will come along and do the same? Maybe TYM (with a ton of money to spend), but maybe not. It will take a long term philosophy to weather that storm that most corp's (especially US ones) no longer have. A "Day Trader" investment attitude will never get it there. It would take a major investment and the fortitude to weather the losses for a decade or more to make something like that happen.
 
   / hobby farm tractor #20  
- - - hooking implements up to the PTO is a real pain.
I don't pretend to be mechanically gifted. I appreciate all advice.



I have tried to connect an implement to the tractor PTO for the first time.

I could not get the attachment to slide onto the PTO. I think it is a subtle alignment issue between the female splines of the implement and the male splines of the tractor PTO.



New PTO powered implements, connecting to new tractor PTO splines are always difficult. Once implement and tractor PTO parts are somewhat worn in, mating becomes easier.

Clean mating parts, lubrication and technique are the keys.

Most here like Eureka Fluid Film as PTO lube. I prefer wax chain lube in an aerosol can.

Grease is too thick.

WD-40 burns off. Shaft goes on "OK" cold but can be difficult to disconnect when hot. WD-40 leaves a sticky fish-oil residue which accumulates.



Connect the implement to the tractor via two Lower Link pins and one Top Link pin. Lift implement hydraulically until implement PTO shaft and tractor PTO spines are perfectly level, one with the other.

Turn tractor engine off, disengage PTO so tractor PTO splines can be turned by hand.

Turn male splines by hand until they align with female shaft indents. Slide shaft onto tractor splines. Retract whatever type of detent you have, button or collar, then push the implement shaft the final two inches onto the tractor PTO stub.

If the PTO shaft and tractor splines are NOT perfectly level it is almost impossible to shove implement shaft on to tractor PTO splines.

I am 74 years old. I can mount implement and connect the PTO on my heavier tractor without too much difficulty in five minutes


Hi folks...took a bit of time and fussing but wanted to update you. PTO connection problem was resolved by leveling the implement to the PTO.

Last edited: Apr 23, 2022
 
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