Homemade quick attach

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#121  
Oh, well I guess you have to lay out your expenses differently.

Drill- $$
Electricity to run drill- $$
Drill bit- $$
Your time- $$ (may not apply heavily if you're retired)

I guess I see it differently.
 
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I was thinking yesterday as the DOM is a bit expensive for the pin bosses, I think the pin bosses could be made from say 3/8" plate with a 1" hole bored in it and still perform as they should

The trick is still boring a hole of the precise dimension to allow the pin to fit, but not have too much slop so as to wallow out the hole. I don't have the tooling to do that.
 
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Yea, with hand tools it would be difficult, I didn't think about that. I have a 1 HP bench top milling machine and I'm always looking for an excuse to use it. one big reason I am thinking about building this rather than buying it. Having to buy all the materials it's only about $150 savings but seems like its a doable project.
 
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#124  
Forks added! If I had any more attachments I would have gone with the SSQA.


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   / Homemade quick attach #125  
Puckgrinder, I was surprised how much that I use my forks, very handy, and you're about to find out for yourself. So, what did you come up with on the log splitter valve replacement? I'm going to add a rear remote to my Kubota. I couldnt see any real reason for me to have 2 remotes and only need one to power a down force kit for the post hole auger. I have an empty slot where the draft control would have been so Ill hide the valve there. I bought a power beyond valve from Surplus center and just waiting for the weather to warm up a bit before I install it.
Steve
 
   / Homemade quick attach #126  
The trick is still boring a hole of the precise dimension to allow the pin to fit, but not have too much slop so as to wallow out the hole. I don't have the tooling to do that.

Joshua... not sure where you're at with your build but if you are still looking for some DOM tubing let me know.
I work at a manufacturing plant and have some drop pieces here and I'd be happy to ship you whatever you need.
I'll even cut to length if you want. (you'll have to split)

I just stumbled onto this thread and don't know exactly what size your pins are but I have LOTS of 1-1/4" I.D. stuff here in a couple of different wall thicknesses. (1/4" - 3/8")
I also have some 1-1/2" I.D. with a 1/2" wall.
I have some 1-1/16" I.D. with a 7/32" wall.
And, some 1" I.D. with a wall of 1/8".

These are all sizes we use here so they're the only sizes I have lying around.
We ship UPS daily and I can get it to you no problem.

Thanks everyone for all the great info on this thread. I plan to make one of these for my NH 7308 loader real soon.
 
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#127  
With the valve we have a local hydraulic guy that we work with that is going to come in and take a look at it and we want his opinion on what the problem is (likely the valve!) and have him make some custom hoses and replace the valve for us, he does a lot of business with us so we want to return the favor. We will probably just run the valve work lines out to two quick couplers in the back as we only use it for a grapple and then I'll use it for a hydraulic top link any other time. We are either using the loader or the 3pt, never do any work with both at the same time really.

The forks work great, i loaded 3500lbs of tires from stacks onto a trailer to go to the dump in about 15 minutes, usually takes 45 minutes by hand and you're dead tired afterwards, then you still have to unload them at the dump..
 
   / Homemade quick attach #128  
Joshua... not sure where you're at with your build but if you are still looking for some DOM tubing let me know.
I work at a manufacturing plant and have some drop pieces here and I'd be happy to ship you whatever you need.
I'll even cut to length if you want. (you'll have to split)

That's a really generous offer, and I'm incredibly thankful. I'm not sure if I can take you up on it, though. I need 1" ID, but I think 1/8" is not going to be thick enough. The factory bushings are 1/4", so that's what I'm planning to use everywhere else. The 1-1/16" 7/32" is darn close, but I'm concerned about the amount of slop that would result (1/16") between the pin and the bushing. I have the impression that something like 10 mils clearance is desirable, and 1/16" is a lot more than that.
 
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That's a really generous offer, and I'm incredibly thankful. I'm not sure if I can take you up on it, though. I need 1" ID, but I think 1/8" is not going to be thick enough. The factory bushings are 1/4", so that's what I'm planning to use everywhere else. The 1-1/16" 7/32" is darn close, but I'm concerned about the amount of slop that would result (1/16") between the pin and the bushing. I have the impression that something like 10 mils clearance is desirable, and 1/16" is a lot more than that.

No problem. Yeah... like I said, I wasn't sure of your pin size. I don't have much in the 1" I.D. department. Most of our stuff uses 1-1/4" or 1-1/2" pins so that's why I have a better selection for those sizes.
Let me know should you decide differently.
 
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I didn't want to pay for shipping, so I had the bushings come in on the bi-monthly stock order to my dealer. That was today! Here are a couple of the bushings.

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For the side plates, I'm working with 3/8" thick by 2 1/2" flat stock. I cut the stock to 12" length using a my new Harbor Freight 4x6 bandsaw, which was the tool that I used this job as an excuse to finally buy. The final straw on the chop saw was that it always arced out at the end of the cut, meaning my ends were never straight.

I drilled pilot holes 8" apart, using the first piece as a jig for the subsequent ones. I hand-aligned the blank with the cut piece and drilled the first hole in the blank, then I stuck a 1/4" bolt through the two holes and drilled through the cut piece's second hole into the blank. This guarantees that the spacing between the pieces is the same.

Next, I went at it with a hole saw. I prefer to pre-drill my pilot holes when using a hole saw in metal because it ensures that the hole is exactly where I want it, and also because the pilot bits that come with hole saws aren't stellar drill bits.

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My 1.5" hole saw fit the bushings perfectly, but unfortunately, my holes were not precisely positioned enough to exactly match the pin spacing on the bucket. So I ran to the hardware store and got a 1 5/8" hole saw. This should give just enough slop to allow positioning the bushings, while not leaving so much gap that it ends up being hard to weld the bushings in. I had to go back and enlarge the 1" holes that I drilled, which took some figuring out, since there was nothing to hold the pilot bit in place and keep the hole saw from skipping all over. I ended up putting a second piece of metal underneath and aligning the two so that the pilot hole on the bottom piece caused the hole saw to line up correctly on the top piece.

I've moved my bucket over to my welding station and removed it from the tractor. The next task is to tack the bushings into the side plates. I plan to use the existing pins in the bucket as a jig to ensure perfect spacing. I'm tempted to try to go at it tonight, but I never do a very good job working off a halogen work lamp, and I couldn't take pictures for y'all either.
 
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Got some more work done today.

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I used the existing bucket ears and pins as a jig to align the bushings on my side-plates. The small bushings are flush on the back side, but the larger bushings extend inside the ear about 1/4". I figure the safest thing to do is to re-create the bucket's construction as closely as possible. I used a speed square to transfer the dimension from the bucket to the side-plate. Now that I think about it, the fact that my side-plates are 3/8" instead of 1/4" may mean that the speed-square method will be off by 1/8", but I can work that out after the fact. The key dimension is the spacing between the inside ends of the bushings. By making the QA side-plates 1/8" further apart than the bucket's, I believe I can compensate for my mistake.

I carefully aligned everything, then put in two tacks on each bushing. I re-checked all measurements, then removed the side-plate from the bucket and finished welding up. The tacks were on the outside, so I did all the welding on the inside where it was clean, before I ground out the tacks and welded up the outside. The factory bucket only has welds on one side of the plate, but I figure it can't hurt to over-engineer in this case.

The welds were made with 1/8" E7018 at about 110-120 amps. I knew things were going well when my slag started popping off by itself, or after one light scratch with the hammer.

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There is a lot of room for improvement, but I was actually pretty pleased with how they came out. Especially since I am welding on the round, which I have never done before. To make life easier for me, I laid the pieces down and welded in the flat position. It essentially became a round fillet. The holes that I drilled in the side-plates are 1 5/8", while the OD of the bushings is 1 1/2". This was necessary to give enough slop in the placement of the holes to allow exact alignment of the bushings with the bucket pins. Since the bushings were not centered in the holes, I had as much as 1/8" of gap to fill as I welded up. I ground the ends of some electrode stubs to about 1/16" thickness and stuck them into the gap before tacking, so that the gap around the bushing was as small as possible in each direction. With the large bushings, I got good results by holding the rod more towards the horizontal, to try to avoid shooting heat down through the gap. I suppose one risk of this method is that I may have insufficient penetration into the side-plate, but given that there was between 1/16" and 1/8" gap to accept the weld metal, I'm hopeful that helped things out. The welds look to me like they have okay penetration.

Another problem that I ran into was, after welding up the back side, there was some left-over slag in the gap that I had to get out before welding up the front side. I didn't think it would be a good idea to weld over it. I picked it out the best I could with the edge of a file, but there was certainly some left, and I think that is the most likely cause of the porosity that you can see in some areas of the welds.

On the front side of the small bushing, it was harder, because I wanted to push the heat towards the bushing to avoid burning out the gap, but at the same time, I had very little room to play with before I melted off the top corner of the bushing. To make this a bit easier, I switched down to 3/32" electrodes, and my welds suffered a bit because of it. For whatever reason, I weld worse with 3/32" than I do with 1/8". I had an easy time on the back because the two pieces were flush. So it was basically just a flat weld with a gap. I was careful to keep the puddle away from the inside edge of the bushing, because I didn't want mess up that nice, machined surface.

Here are the two finished side plates, inside and outside.

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I am going to finish up one entire adapter before moving on to the second one, so that I find any problems before I've got too much work into the project. The next step will be to bring the tractor over to the work area and install the side plates onto the loader arm. What I plan to do is to put a section of flat stock across the front of the unit to basically create a U shape, then I will build the bucket-side part of the QA and weld the two together. I dunno... I may just get some thin strips of 1/4" flat and tack the side plates in position relative to each other before moving on. I'm still not 100% sure how I'm going to put the loader-side and bucket-side section of the adapter together. If anybody has any detailed photos of theirs that they would like to post, I'd appreciate it.
 
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Your welds look plenty fine to me. I see no reason to be worried about lack of penetration or any contamination.

As to your dilema about attaching the halves, I wouldn't make the U as you are thinking. Make a left and right half by overlapping the 3/8" plate you are using on the bushings and weld them together. Bucket piece would sit inside the loader piece. The busings and the spreader bar between the two sides should be more than sufficient (at least in my mind) to support. If you feel as though you'd like more support, make the bucket half the U and then overlap on each side of it with the plate for the loader pins.
 
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As to your dilema about attaching the halves, I wouldn't make the U as you are thinking. Make a left and right half by overlapping the 3/8" plate you are using on the bushings and weld them together. Bucket piece would sit inside the loader piece. The busings and the spreader bar between the two sides should be more than sufficient (at least in my mind) to support. If you feel as though you'd like more support, make the bucket half the U and then overlap on each side of it with the plate for the loader pins.

That is a good point. I spent a bit of time yesterday fussing around with various methods of attaching them. Part of the problem is that you can't put anything on the inside of the loader-side bracket, because you need clearance to allow the arms to intrude on the interior of the bracket at the extremes of the arms' motion. You're right, though, that there are going to be two bushings that cross the gap between the two side plates, and that should be plenty of rigidity. Thanks!
 
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There is more involved than people reading really think untill you get into building this isnt there?
 
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I am sorry but I tend to think people over think things on here!!! that being said I tend to build for functionality not beauty! LOL I made my QH like Kubota I used 3/16 metal for the side plates and some 1/4 wall pipe for the pins to go in. I can't believe I will ever wear them out. My pins fit with about .020 tolerance. They don't have to be driven in but not exactly loose either. I used 3/4" pins from TSC and think they were about $5.00 a piece. I don't have $30 in my 19# Qh but I have access to steel, shear, punch press and press brake.
 
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I got a little more work done. In order to allow me to work on the bench, I used the first set of side-plates as a jig to guide the alignment of the bushings for the second set of side-plates.

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If you look at the above photo, you will notice that I accidentally nudged the alignment of the left-most bracket's bolt-holes before welding. Did I notice that before I welded it all the way up? Nope. :rolleyes: Did I grind it all the way out and fix it afterwards? NOPE! :laughing:

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Two brackets, on the loader! Now I just have to wait until the DOM tubing I ordered comes before I can proceed with the bucket-side of the bracket.
 
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Well, you're half ways there, looking pretty good so far.
Steve
 
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Thanks. Looks like I'm about to have an unexpected business trip until late next week, so unfortunately, work will be on hold even though I just got the DOM tubing!
 
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Here's some pictures of my system that I built several years ago. The top pins are welded in place, otherwise it looks about the same. Kubota - Rich's Woodshop
 

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