Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor

   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #1  

mred2

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iseki tl3200, JD 450H dozer, LS XR4150, Genie Z34/22N lift
I have a LS XR4150 and love it. My friend has had a sub compact tractor in the past. He is thinking about buying 12 to 25 acres and building a new house. He has looked at my tractor and likes it. Has looked at my dealer. He is looking at the MT240HE. He feels that it is all that he will ever need. All of the land that he is looking at has hills and a lot of trees. He does not want a cab. He does want a FEL and 2 sets of remotes,with HST.
I am going to try to get him to look at the size up. I am looking for facts to try to get him to at least look at them. Price is very important to him. He is pretty tall. It may be next summer, due to delays in the land. First I will try to get him to at least mow some with mine, but my land has no where near the hills.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #2  
LS MT240E

2019 -
MT2 Series
Compact Utility tractor
XG3140 ↑
Series: MT235E ← MT240E
Production
Manufacturer: LS
Type: Compact Utility tractor

Variants
MT240HE: hydrostatic
LS MT240E Power
Engine (gross): 40 hp
29.8 kW
PTO (claimed): 34 hp
25.4 kW
LS MT240E Engine
LS 1.9L 3-cyl diesel
Fuel tank: 7.4 gal
28.0 L

Mechanical
Chassis: 4x4 MFWD 4WD
Steering: power
Brakes: wet disc
Cab: Two-post folding ROPS.
Transmissions: 12-speed synchro shuttle
hydrostatic
Hydraulics
Valves: 0 to 2
Pump flow: 8.2 gpm
31.0 lpm
Total flow: 13.7 gpm
51.9 lpm
Steering flow: 5.5 gpm
20.8 lpm

Tractor hitch
Rear Type: I
Control: position control
Rear lift (at ends): 1808 lbs
820 kg
Power Take-off (PTO)
Rear PTO: independent
Rear RPM: 540 (1.375)
Mid PTO: independent*
Mid RPM: 2000

Dimensions
Wheelbase: 69 inches
175 cm
Length: 121 inches
307 cm
Width: 54 inches
137 cm (R1)
66 inches
167 cm (R4)
Height (ROPS): 88 inches
223 cm
Shuttle Weight: 2881 lbs
1306 kg
Hydro Weight: 2884 lbs
1308 kg


LS LL3302 Loader
Loader weight: 653 lbs
296 kg *
Height (to pin): 94 inches
238 cm
Breakout force (at pin): 3579 lbs
1623 kg
Lift to full height (at pin): 2153 lbs
976 kg
Bucket width: 66 inches
167 cm

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Last update: December 23, 2020
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   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #3  
LS - MT240HE has about the same weight and engine power as my Kubota L3560. Adequate for 60" and some 72" wide implements.

Should be ample for residential and woods work of around 100 engine hours per year on 25 acres that will not be in crops.

54" tractor width will be around 60" with R4/industrial tires. Narrow enough to fit between trees, at least between trees in Florida. (Standard Loader bucket is 66" wide. ~ may want 60" bucket in the woods.)



Tractors are inherently unstable operating on sloped ground. Tractor rear wheel/tire spread, sometimes adjustable, is a critical factor increasing compact tractor stability working sloped or uneven ground. Rear axle is the tractor component on which rear wheels/tires mount. A 6" to 10" wider rear axle substantially decreases tractor rollover potential. Tractor width is simulacrum for rear axle width.


When considering a tractor purchase bare tractor weight first, tractor horsepower second, rear axle width third, rear wheel/tire ballast fourth.
 
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   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor
  • Thread Starter
#4  
I am thinking that he could go to a MT3 series or XR40 series and get a heavier frame. I can't see him needing the HP. But the hills that he wants to run this on, he will need width and weight.
Jeff, one time I really agree with you. He is looking more at HP first.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #5  
Do you have an idea of what he wants to do with it?

I went with a bigger frame (XR41XX) for the increased loaded capacity. If he isn't interested in loader capacity, or weight, then a smaller frame may be just fine.

If stability is the issue, you can improve that with wheel spacers (check out Bro-Tek) without going to a larger frame size.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #7  
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought maybe somebody was hoping his friend was getting a big tractor so he could borrow it. Why don't you just tell him to get a 100 hp tractor and then you can borrow it. It sounds like he has already made his decision and it's his money.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #8  
Maybe the op is just trying to keep his friend from buying to small of a tractor like many often do, asper all of the testimonies on here. I dont believe he mentioned wanting to borrow any thing.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #9  
It's no more my business than it is the OP's but my advise would be to get the land bought before worrying about a tractor. It ain't bought until the deed transfers and there's little need for a tractor until there's a place to park it.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #10  
My neighbor thought I needed a skid steer instead of the tractor I bought.

Be a good friend, let him do what he wants. I’m so glad I didn’t go with the skid steer.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #11  
54" tractor width will be around 60" with R4/industrial tires. Narrow enough to fit between trees, at least between trees in Florida. (Standard Loader bucket is 66" wide. ~ may want 60" bucket in the woods.)

I have a 240HE w/R4 tires, it is exactly 66" wide. same as the bucket.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor
  • Thread Starter
#12  
I do think my friend does have his mind made up. The interesting thing is we have another friend that purchased a sub compact, 25 hp, and has only had it for 2 years. He has it up for sale due to it not being big enough to hand his 10 acres. FEL will not pick up 600 lbs. The problem with the FEL is, he is trying to use bolt on pallet forks. Weight is too far forward. He wants to mow brush with a 25hp, HST, with a larger mower.
My friend trying to buy is going to do about the same things.
And I have no need for a larger tractor. Mine does everything that I want it to do. But I also have a 450 JD dozer. And for the little jobs, my son does with his 26hp Mahindra. I think there are a lot of people on here that have purchased too small and traded up. He may be ok with the frame, if he loads the tires.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor #13  
There is lots of advice on here about when a friend, family member, neighbor, etc should suggest advice. But I got the feeling that this is more of a fact finding venture to get the OP's ducks in a row when his friend has questions or wants the OP's advise. I personally relay on my friends advice all the time, even if I didn't know I needed it or wanted it. An example: I found myself in a conversation with a very close friend of mine about something I didn't have any interest in at all. How we got onto the subject? I dont even remember. The subject was cryptocurrency, and the year was 2011. He said I should have my mostly idle computers (he is a tech nerd) mining this "Bitcoin" thing instead of helping SETI when they are idle. "SETI wont get you anything. But BTC will get you some money in return." is what he said. I took his advice, and he helped me understand a technology I knew nothing about. I think the price of BTC in 2011 was under $5 per coin. I got excited when I mined my first whole bitcoin, though it didn't mean anything. I had no way to spend it, and really didn't understand it. But I was mining it. I am very grateful that my friend helped me to get with the times, helped me understand crypto, and get me involved. Instead of being blind to something I didn't understand. I am now heavily involved with crypto, and made back all my investments (and then some) years ago.
Moral of my story: dont assume you know the relationship between the OP and his friend, or anyone for that fact. We all gotta learn somewhere, somehow. The information provided might just save his friend some heartache in the future.

The the OP: I suspect your concerns are valid. He probably will need a larger tractor with more capability in the future. I live in a very hilly area with tons of trees. My friend (whom I speak of above) has a smaller 30hp Mahindra open platform. I borrowed it on several occasions (can be seen here, in this old video: Well Reservoir - Part 1 - The DIG - YouTube). He said I probably wont need a bigger tractor than the one he has. He lives on flat, wheat fields. He took me to the dealership where he bought his tractor, a small dealership that deals with many different brands. The dealer and the the two of us looked at a comparable LS as he no longer sold Mahindra. The tractor seemed nice, and the facts I got from the dealer about the LS brand sold me on it. I started doing my own research and found that a small bump in HP didnt exactly result in a large bump in price. And I know that more HP is always a good thing. I started looking at the XR series, specifically the XR4145 without the cab or without the HST.

I got my ducks in a row financially and went back to the dealer. Told him what I wanted and he gave me a price. He then gave me a price for the XR4145C, the XR4155, and the XR4155C. I was concerned about the cab, worried that the branches from the trees would damage the glass. The dealer told me that he has only replaced one door due to operator being an idiot and leaving the door open while traveling though a gate. Trees simply dont brake the glass, and having heat in the winter, AC in the summer is definitely worth the small bump in price. I decided to go with the XR4145C and was/is not disappointed. I only have one regret, and that is, I should have gotten the 55HP. Not saying the 45hp is a slouch, but having that extra power when going up my steep driveway with loaded tires, a heavy implement, and in Range-4 (road gear), it does lug down the engine.

Some facts:
No one has ever said they needed a weaker tractor. Smaller? maybe. But never weaker.
People are hesitant about a cab, until they have one. Then people who have tractors without cabs are jealous of their friends with them, especially when out plowing snow.
Ballast with hills is a must. Keep that center of gravity low. I've never tipped it, only because I chicken out before it would. But that ballast keeps me planted. Bigger tires = more ballast
Lifting capacity is HUGE! He will use that FEL more than he thinks. And he WILL attempt to lift more than the FEL is rated for
Spacing between trees is a slight concern, but the only time that has effected me is when I slid sideways (in the snow) between two trees front to back. A chainsaw was my only hope. But that has been my only issue

I didnt follow my friends advice on selecting a tractor. But that does not mean that I didnt listen or value his opinion. We have different land with different goals and different financial abilities. He is jealous of my tractor and often borrows mine for larger jobs he has. Be there as a friend, offer advice when he needs it, if he knows it or not.
 
   / Hoping friend will get a big enough tractor
  • Thread Starter
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I think he has made up his mind. Most likely will pull the trigger in the next few weeks. Wanting a 35hp, LS, 2 rear remotes, no cab, HST. Trying to look at used, but prices are almost new price here.
Interesting note is he is going to have a pond built and the land cleaned up before he builds on it. I thought he wanted to do some of the work himself. With 12 acres, he will use it to mow with.
 
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I think he has made up his mind. Most likely will pull the trigger in the next few weeks. Wanting a 35hp, LS, 2 rear remotes, no cab, HST. Trying to look at used, but prices are almost new price here.
Interesting note is he is going to have a pond built and the land cleaned up before he builds on it. I thought he wanted to do some of the work himself. With 12 acres, he will use it to mow with.

If he isn't used to using equipment and taking care of land he might be intimidated by building a pond or doing big clearing jobs. I know when I first bought my land 5 years ago and was talking projects with a neighbor I relied heavily on him for almost everything, as I've learned and started getting confidence I do most everything myself as long as I have the right tool, and only call my neighbor when I'm SOL and don't know what to do.

Hopefully same goes for your friend!
 

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