How do farmers make any money?

   / How do farmers make any money? #41  
For farming to be successful, the operation needs to continually grow by consuming the less efficient operations. My sister's family started out with a small dairy operation in northern WI that has grown to about 1500 milk cows. My brother in law told me that their financial planner advised them that they should double their operation every 10 years. I believe that was about 20 years ago when they were still trying to grow the operation for all of the family.
The farmer that farms the 150 acre field across the road told me that he's farming 4600 acres of corn and beans. I know another guy that farms about 700 acres and he told me that his semi truck has been draining their bank account, about $20,000 in the last year. He said that hurt but he's got to get his grain to the elevator.

What worries me the most ^^^^^

A sudden $25,000 repair.
I had a $13,000 repair to my big truck last year. Really took a chunk out of the bottom line. Head, head gasket, exhaust manifold, new radiator and a lot of small parts.

Chit’s gettin real salty….
 
   / How do farmers make any money? #42  
I sold a farm tractor to a doctor about 5 years ago. He said he was “vineyard farming” down in Galena, MD. :rolleyes:

In other words, he is growing grapes to make his own wine and receiving monstrous tax breaks to do it.
Layton's Chance?
 
   / How do farmers make any money? #43  
Layton's Chance?
Don’t know, but he has soft supple hands when I shook his hand on the deal.
At least he gave me full price…..maybe he felt bad that he makes 10 times what I make and still gets to farm?????
 
   / How do farmers make any money? #44  
Don’t know, but he has soft supple hands when I shook his hand on the deal.
At least he gave me full price…..maybe he felt bad that he makes 10 times what I make and still gets to farm?????
Lol, possible I guess. I got em confused, Layton's is in Vienna, Crows is up by Galena. Layton's does have a tractor label tho.
 

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   / How do farmers make any money? #45  
According to the USDA, median farm income is $-900 per year. In other words, over half of all people who claim to be farming for money are actually losing money. Median off-farm income for farmers is $79,900, so the typical farmer is working somewhere else to subsidize his farming.

What I looked for and couldn't find is the distribution of income, particularly at the high end. I suspect what you would find is that a very small number of farmers make almost all of the profit.

Some stats are here:
 
   / How do farmers make any money? #46  
Don’t be so negative. Especially when you don’t farm.

4. You use your own money, take your own risk, and get zero handouts and still do ok farming.

It’s not just your #1,2 & 3.

Some people DO know how to manage a profitable farming business without being given a dime. Ask me how. Been doing it a long time, too. Was given nothing.
I'm not sure how you'd afford to buy a multi-million dollar farm these days along with millions of dollars in equipment plus hundreds of thousands in dollars to cover the costs for leaches like fuel, seed, fertilizer, chemicals, insurance, accountants, lawyers, labour costs, local politicians (aka property taxes), and the costs of government bureaucracy because the economics just ain't there. The only people getting free money from the banks are Elon Musk


I guess you could try renting land except that the good land is all gobbled up by the few remaining big players and marginal land isn't too profitable.

There are some local elements to my arguments. In my jurisdiction all the small abattoirs have been essentially regulated out of business by government oversight. Bottom line is you to be a federally licensed abattoir to sell to any large chain stores.


When I finished school I could buy a diesel pickup truck for 1x my salary and a basic starter home as less than 3x salary. The same truck now is 2x salary and the same house is now 10x. No, kids these days can have a good job and the banks won't lend them more than a third the cost of a mortgage for a starter home.

I had a bumper crop on winter wheat this year. Did I make a killing? Of course not.

Exactly how do you boot strap your farm business today with those economics?
 
   / How do farmers make any money? #48  
According to the USDA, median farm income is $-900 per year. In other words, over half of all people who claim to be farming for money are actually losing money. Median off-farm income for farmers is $79,900, so the typical farmer is working somewhere else to subsidize his farming.

What I looked for and couldn't find is the distribution of income, particularly at the high end. I suspect what you would find is that a very small number of farmers make almost all of the profit.

Some stats are here:
My income for years when I took over the farm after dad passed was -$xxxx.xx for years. It's depreciation for the most part. This year I'm going to show huge profits but no money. And so are many other farmers as told by the accountant. Why, because of the economy, we kept our heads down not buying things we need, trying to spend as little money as possible and now that tax time is here we are hit with profits and a tax bill all because we tried to do the right thing. It's great when your debt free but most farmers are not. Our supplies, and overhead increased this year eating away at our cash. Our debt payments we do not get to claim as expenses, just the interest. So while we all were being good and paying our bills, we were not buying equipment to depreciate out or extra supplies for expenses. End result on our Schedule F is huge profits that we now have to pay taxes on.

Again it is all about cash flow. I tried to quit. 5 years after dad passed I hung it about and auctioned off most of the equipment and went to work in a factory. All was good until I had to plow snow a month later. Drove the tractor up the road and thought to myself this isn't going to work. 2 months later bought a brand new baler, used tedder and rake and never missed a season with my custom fieldwork business.
 
   / How do farmers make any money? #49  
I had my best year this year as well in terms of tonnage/GP, too. My accountant told me to use it or pay taxes on it. However, I had a lot in repairs & parts.
I find that equipment, specifically balers & tractors are too complicated and need too much repairing when you buy them used. However, they cost way too much to buy new in payments to justify. So I can never see myself in a new tractor or large baler.
A rake, a tedder, even a disc mower seem to hold up fairly well.
 
   / How do farmers make any money? #50  
Im a farmer. I’m not a big timer, but enough to make a living. I gross about 200K in farm/year crop sales. I don’t have any more than I say, and don’t waste time posting pictures of millions of dollars of machinery I don’t own.

I’m a moderate size farmer, and I’m proud of my worn out machinery and the crop I make each year lol

I find more farmers go under because of poor business decisions on top of an already risky way of life to begin with.
Even with good decision making, you can still get whacked. I worry about it all the time. Keeps you awake and on your toes. Although I did fall asleep once while laying on the ground under a tractor fixing a sensor. :)

My secrets to staying in the game and also growing in size every year are the following:
1. Resist temptation to own too much new equipment & keep overhead low.
2. Off farm income to add stability.
3. Marry well.
4. Believe in The Lord
Some good stuff there, but looks to be upside down on the prioritization, compared to what has worked for my family. Our kids are the 8th generation, who have lived on our farm. It was first homesteaded by my great great great great grandfather.

He was born in Europe, in the year 1790, according to his headstone over at the local cemetery. That cemetery belongs to the church, down on the corner, and that is about a mile to our east.

That is the oldest legible date, on any of the headstones or monuments, at that cemetery. One of the largest monuments there is his grandson’s (also my great great grandfather). It has a big marble sphere on top of it. I still remember when local nitwits knocked that off back in the 1970’s. Grandpa and I drove our Allis Chalmers D-14 loader tractor over there and used it to lift that big marble sphere back up in place.

The Church there is a Christian Church and it has mostly been very strict in the literal interpretation of the Bible. Based on the dates visible in the cemetery, it’s a pretty safe assumption that my oldest known family member was one of the founding members. I am the current “chair elder” there.

It certainly appears that keeping our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in that top spot, has worked for many generations, as far as keeping the taxes paid on this farm and keeping it in the family.

There’s something to be said for marrying well. One of my old “long gone” farmer buddies, from over in the next town, always told me: “If I had it to do it over again, I’d have married a rich woman”. He also told me, back before I met my wife, to “check their teeth, and look out for student loans”.

“Off farm income” is also important and more so almost every year it seems. This here farm by itself likely only supported our family on this continent for the first generation or two. I know that my great grandfather took a factory job, as did the next three generations and myself.

“Resisting the temptation to own too much new equipment and keeping overhead low” also makes some sense. That said, I’m pretty thankful right now, that I followed the lead of my grandfather. When the added income of his factory job allowed him to save up enough money to replace his team of horses with a tractor, he bought a brand new 1950 John Deere model M.

That tractor is now parked in a barn on my parents farm, over in the next town. It hasn’t run in about 10 years (dad’s been long retired), but probably would fire right up if I put some gas and a 6 volt battery in it.

I got by a lot of years running various grey, red, blue, and orange tractors. I can’t say that any of those ever made me much money but all of them kept me busy with maintenance and repairs.

Only my green John Deere, that I saved up enough money to buy new back in 2005, is running right now. My old grey Ford and red Farmall are both broken down in the barn, waiting for me to have the free time to fix them.
 
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