JimR
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Expand the driveway onto your property and put up concrete barriers down the middle of the drive. Expense, yes. Peace of mind, absolutely.
How do you keep trespassers off of your property??
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Junkman
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Sharp drop off cliff on my side.... nothing but outcroppings of ledge on their side.... only about 10' wide with a stream at the bottom of the drive.
Jagmandave
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How about a couple of those concrete barriers they use when doing road construction? Can't get over them with an ATV, can't move 'em either................. leave an opening wide enough to walk thru, then put your motion sensing camera inside pointed at the opening, with no trespassing signs clearly posted. Then turn the pics over to the sherriff. Do you know their names?
dmccarty
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Dargo,
Instead of hiring a security company try to hire off duty law enfocement officers. I assume your land is out in the county and the Sheriff Deparment has jurisdiction. Talk to them about hiring off duty officers. Also try the state wildlife officers or state police since they should also have jurisdiction.
Whether the officers can do this will depend on the department policies as well as state and local laws/regulations.
I would be very leary of most security firms.
In NC officers can form their own Company Police Companies. They have jurisdiction over the property they are hired to protect. These officers must pass the state requirements for being a LEO. They are officers not security guards. They have full power of arrest. They are not wanna be's who have issues. Maybe your state has the same type of law.
Go talk to the local officers.
Later,
Dan
Instead of hiring a security company try to hire off duty law enfocement officers. I assume your land is out in the county and the Sheriff Deparment has jurisdiction. Talk to them about hiring off duty officers. Also try the state wildlife officers or state police since they should also have jurisdiction.
Whether the officers can do this will depend on the department policies as well as state and local laws/regulations.
I would be very leary of most security firms.
In NC officers can form their own Company Police Companies. They have jurisdiction over the property they are hired to protect. These officers must pass the state requirements for being a LEO. They are officers not security guards. They have full power of arrest. They are not wanna be's who have issues. Maybe your state has the same type of law.
Go talk to the local officers.
Later,
Dan
thegreatrandini
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Good thread! Get one of those GPS tracking devices used by parents to keep track of the kid's car. Place it in something of value. (ie a lawn mower etc..) Leave it out there behind the locked gate which is posted. You know they will steal it.. When they do u got them.... You not only get them for trespassing but for theft. If you place the item in a locked shed or bin you get them for breaking and entering... This is what I would do....
You could also talk with the ajoining land owners and see if they would want to block the private road with a couple of locked cable gates. This way you could each have keys but it should stop most of your traffic.....
You could also talk with the ajoining land owners and see if they would want to block the private road with a couple of locked cable gates. This way you could each have keys but it should stop most of your traffic.....
MikeIA
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Interesting thread.
It seems to me the number one problem is the scum that are stealing the "No Trespassing" signs.
Think about it:
The reason you won't do anything drastic and set booby traps is your concern about injuring an innocent person. You don't have any evidence that an innocent person would ever be hurt, but you still won't do it because you are a good person.
The scum that are stealing the signs have no evidence that you won't go ahead and put up booby traps anyway, they just assume that you are a good person who would not risk hurting an innocent, and that taking down the signs will prevent you from doing anything that might prevent them from trespassing on your land. Since the don't _know_ that you wouldn't set traps anyway, _they _ are the ones that are endangering innocent people by taking down the signs that keep innocent people away.
The scum are using the fact that you are a good person against you.
Put the signs on 15 foot posts wrapped in barbed wire and surrounded by cyclone fence. Focus your "trail camera" or other surveillance camera on the signs. You need to get rid of the vermin that are taking down the signs. Talk to your county attorney and convince him of this, so that he will procecute anyone you catch.
It seems to me the number one problem is the scum that are stealing the "No Trespassing" signs.
Think about it:
The reason you won't do anything drastic and set booby traps is your concern about injuring an innocent person. You don't have any evidence that an innocent person would ever be hurt, but you still won't do it because you are a good person.
The scum that are stealing the signs have no evidence that you won't go ahead and put up booby traps anyway, they just assume that you are a good person who would not risk hurting an innocent, and that taking down the signs will prevent you from doing anything that might prevent them from trespassing on your land. Since the don't _know_ that you wouldn't set traps anyway, _they _ are the ones that are endangering innocent people by taking down the signs that keep innocent people away.
The scum are using the fact that you are a good person against you.
Put the signs on 15 foot posts wrapped in barbed wire and surrounded by cyclone fence. Focus your "trail camera" or other surveillance camera on the signs. You need to get rid of the vermin that are taking down the signs. Talk to your county attorney and convince him of this, so that he will procecute anyone you catch.
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Yep. There are good people in private security firms (including the occasional retired LEO), but there are a whole lot of wannabes, and some of those folks are downright scary.
Then there are the college student/retired postman/grandma making some extra money types. They aren't scary, and they are absolutely useless except maybe as a witness, because they sure aren't going to DO anything if there is a problem.
Most companies that hire rent-a-cops do so because the insurance company likes it, not because they really expect them to do any good, other than perhaps act as a mild deterrent.
...wanna be's who have issues. )</font>
Yep. There are good people in private security firms (including the occasional retired LEO), but there are a whole lot of wannabes, and some of those folks are downright scary.
Then there are the college student/retired postman/grandma making some extra money types. They aren't scary, and they are absolutely useless except maybe as a witness, because they sure aren't going to DO anything if there is a problem.
Most companies that hire rent-a-cops do so because the insurance company likes it, not because they really expect them to do any good, other than perhaps act as a mild deterrent.
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I just got back from my first trip back to my property other than going with my buddy who owns an excavating company. I was rather irritated to see that there has yet AGAIN been activity at my "closed" entrance to my property and another "No Trespassing" sign gone! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Further inspection told a nice story though. First off, they didn't pull my sign out of the ground to steal it. They ran it over and broke it off. If you recall, I said that they weren't the cheap signs, but the nice strong steel posts and metal signs. Well, guess what!? The dumb jerks got themselves!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I found plenty of marks and one lug nut and bits of rubber from where one of the idiots ran over the approx. 6" jagged piece of the steel post they broke off. They ripped their own tire off!!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Talk about poetic justice!!
Anyway, attached is a pic of what I also was doing. I won't be able to get the dozer work done for a few weeks, so I put my 5030 to it's first real workout. I dug my own trench with the FEL, and placed a nice rock in the middle of the only path they could take. Attached is a pic of the "rock" I put in the way. I took the pic while driving inside my air conditioned cab. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Five of us could not roll this rock into the bucket. I had to push it into a hill and work at getting it balanced in the bucket. It has to weigh between 2500 and 3000 pounds!! This ought to stop them until I get my "permanent" fix put up.
What do ya think about the idiots ripping their own tire off on the remains of my "No Trespassing" sign they tore down?!
Further inspection told a nice story though. First off, they didn't pull my sign out of the ground to steal it. They ran it over and broke it off. If you recall, I said that they weren't the cheap signs, but the nice strong steel posts and metal signs. Well, guess what!? The dumb jerks got themselves!! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I found plenty of marks and one lug nut and bits of rubber from where one of the idiots ran over the approx. 6" jagged piece of the steel post they broke off. They ripped their own tire off!!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Talk about poetic justice!!
Anyway, attached is a pic of what I also was doing. I won't be able to get the dozer work done for a few weeks, so I put my 5030 to it's first real workout. I dug my own trench with the FEL, and placed a nice rock in the middle of the only path they could take. Attached is a pic of the "rock" I put in the way. I took the pic while driving inside my air conditioned cab. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif Five of us could not roll this rock into the bucket. I had to push it into a hill and work at getting it balanced in the bucket. It has to weigh between 2500 and 3000 pounds!! This ought to stop them until I get my "permanent" fix put up.
What do ya think about the idiots ripping their own tire off on the remains of my "No Trespassing" sign they tore down?!
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I think poetic justice just about sums it up!! Hat’s off to you.
Regarding the rock, I’ve been adding rocks like that (some smaller & some bigger) to try to choke off an area here and here’s what I’ve found.
First, they’ll simply move it. I don’t know if they push or pull with their bumper or if perhaps, they attach something to it. I’d love to see them in action once so I can figure that part out.
For those idiots who don’t move it, they’ll just mow a path around it. I’ve seen what looks to be three inch saplings run roughshod as these clunk heads just plow them over with what ever they’re driving. I secretly wish they have to backup & the saplings spear the underside of their vehicles.
What I’ve found I need to do, to really discourage them is put SEVERAL rocks/boulders down such that it’s simply too difficult to move/clear a path through them. I figure these dolts are far too lazy to have to move several obstructions.
I’ll also place these boulders so a nearby tree is yet another natural obstruction. Kind of a multiplier effect. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Regarding the rock, I’ve been adding rocks like that (some smaller & some bigger) to try to choke off an area here and here’s what I’ve found.
First, they’ll simply move it. I don’t know if they push or pull with their bumper or if perhaps, they attach something to it. I’d love to see them in action once so I can figure that part out.
For those idiots who don’t move it, they’ll just mow a path around it. I’ve seen what looks to be three inch saplings run roughshod as these clunk heads just plow them over with what ever they’re driving. I secretly wish they have to backup & the saplings spear the underside of their vehicles.
What I’ve found I need to do, to really discourage them is put SEVERAL rocks/boulders down such that it’s simply too difficult to move/clear a path through them. I figure these dolts are far too lazy to have to move several obstructions.
I’ll also place these boulders so a nearby tree is yet another natural obstruction. Kind of a multiplier effect. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Highbeam
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The most effective barrier I've seen recently is a berm of huge knarly stumps. Nobody likes stumps and when you berm them they lock together nicely.
The typical winch on a truck is an 8000 lb one. With a single snatch block, you're looking at 16,000 lbs of pull. If they can get a hook on it, it will come. Maybe partially bury the rock so that it is obvious that it is there but very hard to get a chain to bite without a ton of digging.
Keep an eye out for a pile of roofing nails. That goofy 4wheeler with the flat tire may be seeking revenge.
The typical winch on a truck is an 8000 lb one. With a single snatch block, you're looking at 16,000 lbs of pull. If they can get a hook on it, it will come. Maybe partially bury the rock so that it is obvious that it is there but very hard to get a chain to bite without a ton of digging.
Keep an eye out for a pile of roofing nails. That goofy 4wheeler with the flat tire may be seeking revenge.
