How important is 4WD on a duallie?

   / How important is 4WD on a duallie? #71  
Can someone explain the difference of SRW vs DRW in regards to stability? My question is, unless the springs are mounted farther outward, how is a DRW more stable?

I have put a bunch of miles on a dually F450 in the past, but never drove a SRW version to know the difference.

I would make sense if the rear springs were mounted further outboard with the dually, since that is the pivot point. I know they are more stable, but it generally does not make sense since they use the same pivot point.

There is no comparison between a SRW and a Dually. For a number of reason. Stability, in one the other is you have two extra spare tires on the road.
 
   / How important is 4WD on a duallie? #73  
Can someone explain the difference of SRW vs DRW in regards to stability? My question is, unless the springs are mounted farther outward, how is a DRW more stable?

I have put a bunch of miles on a dually F450 in the past, but never drove a SRW version to know the difference.

I would make sense if the rear springs were mounted further outboard with the dually, since that is the pivot point. I know they are more stable, but it generally does not make sense since they use the same pivot point.

The same basic load is spread over a larger/wider footprint so in effect the load on each tire is less. therefore there is less sidewall deflection, etc...;)
 
   / How important is 4WD on a duallie? #74  
You could assume that the manufacturer puts a tire under their truck which can carry the trucks rated capacity... Duals might have some overcapacity, but SRW usually has wider tires both front and rear. Speaking from where i come from (Europe that is) a Sprinter SRW 4.5 ton has 285 tires front and rear, while the 5 ton dually has 195 tires. That gives less flotation in the mud.
Also when the front wheels sink, the truck moves much easier if the rears follow the path, where the mud is already pushed aside.

The best driving rental truck at my previous employer was a 3.5t SRW VW Crafter (A Sprinter 2500 with VW 2.5TDI engine) with the 3-leaf spring pack of a 5 ton Sprinter (which we had left after a full air suspension conversion)
The SRW with heavy springs rode as good as the dually, because the same heavy 5t springs were mounted at a wider center distance (aside the frame rails instead of under them) which made up for more stability than what is lost by the flexing of a slightly higher tire sidewall.
And empty, the truck didnt float over rainy roads but kept holding a grip under all conditions.
unloaded DRW Sprinters will drift great through long corners or roundabouts, because there isnt enough contact pressure of the rubber to the asphalt, when the road is wet, snowy or iced.

Also the SRW was less bouncy when unloaded.


For those that report poorer cornering when towing a 5th wheel: They both might be a 1 ton truck, but did anyone ever check the actual spring ratings ?? It is more than likely that a manufacturer gives the SRW weaker springs for a smoother ride, though it has the same payload capacity.

Put some additional airbags on the SRW with its wide spring stance, and it will be equal or better than the dually LOADED. Unloaded, there is no question that the SRW gets further offroad.
 
   / How important is 4WD on a duallie? #75  
So I just got in from outside. I had to move the little 8x5 utility trailer up to the wood pile.Donated some firewood for a Boy Scout fundraising raffle.

Backing slightly uphill to the pile, short damp grass. Empty trailer. Tire just sat and spun, even with the limited slip. Put in 4-high, and backed right up there.
 
   / How important is 4WD on a duallie? #76  
Renze is getting at the details, a SRW can be very stable with the right tires/rims/inflation. With a blowout the DRW is safer, but when you are loaded to the max, if you get a blowout, you need to slow down immediately as the remaining DRW tire will be severely overloaded.
 
   / How important is 4WD on a duallie? #77  
if you get a blowout, you need to slow down immediately as the remaining DRW tire will be severely overloaded.
If you get a blowout you should stop quickly no matter what load you are carrying. That blown tire could catch fire and burn up your truck. This is true of your trailer tires, too; do not just keep going down the road because your load is light and the remaining tires can carry it. Stop and remove that tire.

Don't ask me how I know.
 
   / How important is 4WD on a duallie? #78  
If you get a blowout you should stop quickly no matter what load you are carrying. That blown tire could catch fire and burn up your truck. This is true of your trailer tires, too; do not just keep going down the road because your load is light and the remaining tires can carry it. Stop and remove that tire.

Don't ask me how I know.

And if the D.O.T decides to catch you, it won't be funny. With a CDL, running on a blown tire will cost you 8 points on your pretty little CSA2010 license. I got stopped while trying to go ONE exit, and accumulated 9 points. The last was for a yellow lens on the rear corner of the trailer, that a dumbxxx mechanic put on the trailer THAT MORNING when I took it to the shop to have 5 lights fixed. Some people get away with running with lights out but I don't chance it. The tire wasn't blown, just slung a cap, and when he wrote me for the tire AND the light (which I changed as soon as he pointed it out, because I keep spares), I refused to sign it. He told me he could take me to jail, and I told him I wasn't going to sign something that I knew was in error. He asked me what was wrong, and I told him the tire wasn't blown, that it still had 100 pounds of air pressure. He went and kicked it, then went and retyped his citation to me running with a tire with less than 2/32 tread, which bears the same point accumulation. Just can't win when they want to be a pain.
Another reason to stop as soon as possible is a tire coming apart has a lot of energy and can tear up things on your vehicle, as well as throw bits and BIG PIECES at other vehicles. If it self destructs and tears up somebody's car, you will be liable.
David from jax
 
   / How important is 4WD on a duallie? #79  
I find one of the most important advantages of a 4wd truck is the ability to use low range.. i use low range all the time when maneuvering a trailer, it takes a huge load off the transmission.
 
   / How important is 4WD on a duallie? #80  
grs, those are beautful horses. Lots of horsepower there.
 

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