How many have concealed carry permit to carry a gun ?

[Loren49]

You have failed to connect gun rights and the criminal behavior at all, plus you pass judgement that the second amendment intimating it is not necessary to remain free, I disagree. Negotiating away rights to bear arms or letting government "infringe" on those rights, are not going to be tolerated by the American people for ANY reason. I believe it's the sole reason we have survived as a republic. Let me push your liberal button, I believe if you want to stop this type of violence, I would criminalize atheists, and require Christian church attendance. Lack of a religious base being identified as cause. Let's just tramp a different right, it maybe more beneficial. At least separation of church and state isn't in the constitution. HS.

You make up things:
Christianity and the Murder Rate
First, I have no doubt that Christianity has done tremendous good...

...kept families together

...provided strength and consolation for many people during difficult times

...inspired charitable organizations and causes

...pacified anger and in the process kept quite a few people alive

At the same time we are also faced with the clear reverse relationship between church attendance in most countries and murder especially in the United States.*
Christianity and the Murder Rate

Guns and Religion
But even if you ignore everything I致e just said, or disagree with it all, I have to tell you that shooting someone is a terrible witness for Christ, and frankly when Jesus said love your enemies, he did not mean love them to death at the point of a gun. That痴 no way to love them, and I would say following Christ is not compatible with shooting and killing people. But, perhaps you will say, that痴 just me, BW3. But it痴 not just me. It痴 Jesus you have to answer to, and as for that picture at the top of the page here? he痴 not too pleased with it either.

Read more: Guns and Religion

Also:
Constitutional Myth #4: The Constitution Doesn't Separate Church and State - The Atlantic


Loren

 

[/pine]

You make up things:
Christianity and the Murder Rate
First, I have no doubt that Christianity has done tremendous good...

...kept families together

...provided strength and consolation for many people during difficult times

...inspired charitable organizations and causes

...pacified anger and in the process kept quite a few people alive

At the same time we are also faced with the clear reverse relationship between church attendance in most countries and murder especially in the United States.*
Christianity and the Murder Rate

Guns and Religion
But even if you ignore everything I致e just said, or disagree with it all, I have to tell you that shooting someone is a terrible witness for Christ, and frankly when Jesus said love your enemies, he did not mean love them to death at the point of a gun. That痴 no way to love them, and I would say following Christ is not compatible with shooting and killing people. But, perhaps you will say, that痴 just me, BW3. But it痴 not just me. It痴 Jesus you have to answer to, and as for that picture at the top of the page here? he痴 not too pleased with it either.

Read more: Guns and Religion

Also:
Constitutional Myth #4: The Constitution Doesn't Separate Church and State - The Atlantic


Loren

Again...consider the source...IT needs to school you on the lack of credibility in blogs etc...

 

[dave1949]

I used to think you a reasonable and thoughtful individual. This post ends that delusion.

Was it something I said? :laughing: This is the nature of our divisive society. We can agree on many things but if someone steps on one of our personal hot buttons, then they are instantly transformed into delusional people. We should work on that.

 

[IslandTractor]

Respects the Supreme Court? Are you trying to be funny? Presidents routinely pick court nominees who are most likely to represent their own personal views. Perhaps this is unavoidable. The Supreme Court has a history of decisions that fly in the face of both logic and our history. I give you Obamacare and the Commerce Clause as two prime examples. The court is not infallible and is not beyond corruption. Frankly, I think I might prefer seeing citizens called, as they are for jury duty, to serve terms in Congress and on the Supreme Court. I guess you missed the part about Of the people - By the people - For the people.

Man, you really did miss civics class in the seventh grade.

The Supreme Court members are chosen just as the founding fathers intended. Duh. You think it would be more appropriate to have them appointed by the NRA???

Every administration and congress bump up against the constitution and those disputes are routinely handled by SCOTUS. Despite the claims of the originalists, there have been varying interpretations over the years and many embarrassing decisions (eg that Union soldiers had to turn over escaped slaves to their Confederate masters). Such is life. SCOTUS is a human institution.

Of the people, by the people and for the people doesn't imply that any individual gets to do what they want (as you seem to support with jury nullification and disregard for gun laws). There is a rule of law and we all live by it. Tough titty if you disagree with a law deemed constitutional. You don't get to pick and choose. Advocates of jury nullification are the ones guilty of unAmerican and unconstitutional practice.

You really need to stop listening to radio demagogues and pick up a legitimate history book or three. Read the Federalist Papers if you really want to know what was in the minds of the founding fathers.

 

[edkemper]

> First, I have no doubt that Christianity has done tremendous good

It has also created more wars and killed more humans in it's name than any other organization through history.

> ...kept families together

And committed more crimes and covered up more crimes against children than any other organization I can think of. Not to mention apposing certain types of families that do more good than the church have in many years. Judging others is not the responsibilities of churches.

> ...provided strength and consolation for many people during difficult times

Not sure the quantity or quality can overcome the harm also caused. Many years ago, my pastor gave me great help. But he's dead now and his like has not continued.

> ...inspired charitable organizations and causes

But kept a portion of the gains for themselves. That has't necessarily gone to help those in need.

> ...pacified anger and in the process kept quite a few people alive

Not sure this is true. There are a few religious leaders that have provided great quality care. But the core of the group has created unequaled wealth for themselves and supported mostly those that gave the most. Remember, they traded their political involvement for non-taxable status many years ago. However, they致e greatly violated that agreement of late.

> At the same time we are also faced with the clear reverse relationship between church attendance in most countries and murder especially in the United States.*
Christianity and the Murder Rate

That is totally unfair. Don稚 confuse Church involvement with belief. I personally no longer believe in churches yet still have an absolute belief in God. What churches now discriminate against in the name of Christianity is not what God or Jesus stood for.

> Guns and Religion
But even if you ignore everything I閾ｴe just said, or disagree with it all, I have to tell you that shooting someone is a terrible witness for Christ, and frankly when Jesus said love your enemies, he did not mean love them to death at the point of a gun. That逞ｴ no way to love them, and I would say following Christ is not compatible with shooting and killing people.

Jesus also didn't mean to only love those of the same color, the same status or that love only the opposite sex. "Your enemies" has never been defined by Jesus as only to include enemies with guns. I'd personally bet Jesus would see a gun as just another tool. In His day, they were killing with sharp objects, farm implements and on wooden crosses. It's easy to pick out one weapon you don't agree with and make it the only weapon Jesus would be against.

I assume your political affiliation is also the political affiliation that no longer supports equality for everyone or feel the need to help the less fortunate. My gun has never killed yet you can稚 necessarily say the same about your political affiliation痴 massive redistribution of wealth and jobs. You can稚 blame people for being poor when your party has given our jobs overseas. Creating personal wealth overseas and then not wanting to pay their taxes in the U.S. that goes to supporting the country痴 needs. It痴 interesting that your party is so against subsidizing the benefits that go to the poor and yet relish in the subsidies that go to rich corporations that also don稚 pay taxes on their billions in profits. Not to forget the government spending to the War profiteers. The cost of government has increase more due to privatizing government programs and services than any cost for the poor. I grew up in an age where there was a strong middle class that was involved in government. Now, thanks to the political arm called the Supreme Court, no one but the Super Rich Corporations have the ear of our elected officials.

The Church used to endorse and create Wars in it痴 name, beheadings, hand to hand combat and killings, adultery, homosexuality, crimes against children, the stoning of others, crimes against women, slavery, etc. No, they did not endorse guns to kill. However they were supported by unreasonable taxes.

God certainly would not have supported modern Conservative politics. Not since Reganomics and certainly not the vial that re-raised it痴 ugly head after we elected an African American President.

Neither God nor Jesus would have support the riches and opulence that Religions have amassed while so many are staring to death.

> Jesus you have to answer to,

No, we all have to answer to our God. Those that only answer to a 杜odern Christian only religion are in for a rude awakening.

> Constitutional Myth #4: The Constitution Doesn't Separate Church and State

Yet that is why we stole this country from it痴 prior owners. Because of the illicit affair between Church and State that ruled before we created America. The rich few making decisions for everyone else. A lot like this country is becoming.

The more years that go by, the poorer that the majority of Republicans also get. The divide between the rich and poor is not exclusive to the Democrats, the third party members or those that support no parties.

But what do I know.

 

[IslandTractor]

Stretching the rules to argue about guns is one thing but religion really should be out of bounds anywhere on TBN.

 

[edkemper]

Man, you really did miss civics class in the seventh grade.

The Supreme Court members are chosen just as the founding fathers intended. Duh.

Really? Our modern SCOTUS has created more laws (not their job) and addressed issues they were never requested to address and become more a political arm of the government than any SCOTUS in well over the first 200 years.

Our founding fathers expected them to be apolitical and only address certain issues. They have gone far beyond what was expected or wanted. They now decide for political sides more than for the betterment of our country.

Our founding fathers never expected for SCOTUS to make money free speech. Corporations were given special tax breaks because they were not people and were given special tax advantages. Now, they are not people yet they now have the same Constitutional Rights only individuals should have while also enjoying special tax benefits that allow them to create massive wealth to influence politics. No founding father ever expected SCOTUS to be allowed to influence our elections they way this SCOTUS has done.