How to build a tractor path out of cement?

   / How to build a tractor path out of cement? #11  
Hi Rox,

I'm still a little lost on your layout and would really like to see some pictures to be sure we're all on the same page.

2x4's are used for the edges of a pad. They are 3 1/2 inches wide, but still called a four inch pad. You lay them on the ground and put pound stakes into the ground on the outsided of the 2x4's. Then screw through the stakes into the forms. This is where you get your edge of the form from, and what needs to be level.

Since your going up a hill, you need to work on your angle going up and align it with the other forms.

There's no advantage to pouring extra concrete, it's just extra work and money. The thickness should be uniform to help save on expense and labor. To fill in the form, sand is really good. Easy to work with and usually fairly cheap. Gravel will work also.

You width should be what's comfortable for you to drive on. 8 feet seems kind of wide for a tractor. I'd think 6 feet would be plenty, but I don't know your tractor.

If your gonna do it in sections, which is perfectly fine, than I'd start at the bottom and work my way up.

Decide on a size that you can do easily. Lets say you make it six feed wide, than if 8 feet 2x4's are available, I'd go that far for the pads. six feet wide, 8 feet long.

Put rebar down under the area the tires will drive over and one more in the middle. Then cut and lay another piece of rebar across the long ones every two feet. Tie them together with wire. You can buy chairs to hold the rebar up in the middle, or you can just put rocks under it.

In order to tie the pads together, drill holes in the 2x4's that will connect to the next pad. Put the rebar through those holes so it's sticking out a foot or two. How far doesn't matter since it will go into the next pad. Three pieces of rebar will be perfect for what your doing. If you go wider, than maybe another stick or rebar would help.

Pour first thing in the morning and keep at it until you get it done. Plan on buying allot of extra cement for the first time. It's real easy to under estimate how much you will need.

Get some trowels, floats and an edger for the finish. You will also need a straight board wider than your forms to work as a skree. Once you dump the concrete into your forms, you will want it jsut over your forms. Pull the strait board along your forms to smooth out the concrete. This will give you a rough finish that you will go over again with yout trowels to smooth out.

Once it starts to dry a little, drag a push broom over the finish from one side. This will give you what's called a "broom finish" It puts small ridges on your concrete that will give you traction.

Your drainage question has me confused. Does the water run down the area you want to pave? Where does the water go now and how does it get there? It might be a good idea to put a pipe of some size under you pad for water to pass under it.

SPeaking of pipes, it's also a good idea to put one in there just in case you want to run something under it later on. Maybe a water line or an electrical one. Two one inch PVC pipes wont cost you much, but if you ever need to get under your pad, it's nice to have them already in place.

Eddie
 
   / How to build a tractor path out of cement? #12  
A very important item that you need to be very certain of is that the pallet of sacks is indeed cement. It is not very common to buy a pallet of 20 sacks of actual cement. Cement is just the fine grey powder and will be labeled portland cement. A huge majority of the bags of concrete sold in my area are actually ready mix concrete meaning it already has sand and gravel, just add water. If you have bags of ready mix concrete then 20 bags will only do a small area.

I would rip those planks down to make your forms The top screed surface is important and the bottom of the form board can be jagged or above grade. Just push dirt up against the bottom to keep the concrete from oozing out.

It is very common to build roads and sidewalk in sections called panels. We don't even tie the widewalk panels together with rebar, just make a joint.
 
   / How to build a tractor path out of cement?
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#13  
Everybody,
Thank you SO MUCH for your advice. You all told me many things I didn't know at all. So your advice is literally a lifeline to me.

Busy busy day almond picking all day yesterday, deliver to a new customer in the early pm, late pm wholsale market to sell almonds, evining pick up guests form Milwaukee, give a tour of our property, serve a fabuoulous dinner, after they leave make up gift boxes that they purchased.

Oh so tired, need to fall into bed at 4am get up by 8am to guide them to the expressway then pick almonds the rest of the day. No getting around it busy times followed bu "not much to do around here" times. Got to pay the piper now and get the almonds picked. Came home with 321 Euros so it is well worth the effort. Do this a couple times a week and it adds up. +++ I really need the excercize, carrying the 40lb crates of almonds. I really have to do stomach crunches while I carry and I really need it.

BIG reason for buying the alomond/olive farm was to stay in shape. Only way to stay in shape is by working out or as I call it plain old working. If I don't manage this belly now in my early 50's it will manage me and that, I am not comforatble with. So basically you can call this the battle of the buldge. For any youger people reading I can tell you it ain't easy. JUST WAIT UNTL YOURE LATER 40's and 50's. It's hell. The fight goes on....

I will write more on this project later really now ahve to fall into bed. BUT I appreaciate everythign everybody wrote I learned form evey post. Please keep writing and if you were hestitating to write thinking we already knew that, surprise we don't we really don't know a gol danged thing about cement. So dont' hold back, even stupid little things we really dont' know...
 
   / How to build a tractor path out of cement? #15  
The Good news Rox is that "The battle of seeing the toes" seems to be on an exponetial curve as one gets older.

You folk must be some busy!
 
   / How to build a tractor path out of cement? #16  
Just a quick note on connecting pads... You do not have to drill holes unless you want to. Just leave some rebar sticking out from the previous pad. You can drill holes in the last board or put notches into it for the rebar to poke thru.
 
   / How to build a tractor path out of cement?
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Good idea, I never would have thought of that. You sure are helping me build my ental picture of the project. So you don't think we need to cut breaks in the cement at all? I seem to recall they did that when they poured my goundation floors and garage floors. We have a saw that will saw through cement. Seems to me by what you suggested we can jsut keep pouring allt he way down the hill a little at a time and we don't need any type of expansion gaps, tie the pours together with rebarb.
 
   / How to build a tractor path out of cement? #18  
ROX, Another idea for your tractor path is to pour cement planks-8ft long 18 inches wide and 4 inches thick with rebar of course, then with a pallet lift on your 3 point back up the hill and starting from the top, place them crosswise of the road leaving 4 to 6 inches between each one. this will accomplish two items of concern , 1st; it will give a place for the water to run off slowly and 2nd it will solve the problem of doing it all at one time, just build your forms and pour as many as you want maybe even inside the barn on rainy days that you can't work outside. Just another idea.
TOMDUALLY
 
   / How to build a tractor path out of cement? #19  
Tom,

Interesting idea.

Why start at the top? If you started at the bottom, then they would be reasting on each other as you work your way up. Seems that if you start at the top of the hill, gravity will be pulling them apart.

Another advantage to starting at the bottom is filling the voids under each one as you work your way up.

Two things I'd add to your idea would be a broom finish to keep it rough and improve traction, and several holes through each one to drive rebar though, and into the ground.

Eddie
 
   / How to build a tractor path out of cement? #20  
I think there would be a high likelyhood the concrete would develop significant cracks in 18 in by 8 ft long pavers moved into place. Sans (french:) ) a smooth sand subgrade there would be gaps underneath so it would not be evenly supported. In this case rebar would be necessary to prevent cracking as it would be acting as a beam. You would need to take a closer look at the size and placement of the rebar and the concrete would have to be stronger/thicker to get the same result.

If the concrete is poured directly on the ground rebar isn't necessary. Rebar presents problems in the future if you want to remove and break up the concrete.

Zeuspaul
 

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