how to charge for tractor work

   / how to charge for tractor work #11  
Yesterday I spent about 6 hours (including travel, loading, unloading) smoothing and leveling a riding arena that was newly constructed. They had cleared the timber and had a dozer pop and remove stumps. I just had to smooth and level. I charged $ 200 flat rate for the job. I didn't see any potential hazard to the landowner's property-just a rough dirt patch, BUT all of the posts about insurance have got me to thinking. What kind of insurance do you all purchase for these odd job kind of things, and what is the approximate cost?
 
   / how to charge for tractor work #12  
I checked on Insurance with my agent for my tractor and the first question he asked was..."do you have a backhoe?" It is quite a bit more he said. They have different policies. One is for a Landscaper, the other a Contractor. Don't quote me but I think is was about $250 a year for the LS policy. Didn't ask about the backhoe add on cause I don't have one. I think I read on Lawnsite it's upwards of $1,000 but again, don't quote me. It may depend on equipment, size and use.

It's best to shop around. And please let us know what you find out.

Mike
 
   / how to charge for tractor work #13  
I have Farm Bureau insurance on my tractor right now. But it isn't the kind that I would need to work for others. If anyone has insurance to cover outside work on a tractor with a backhoe attached, please let us know the company and the price for it. Farm Bureau wanted $800 a year, if I used the backhoe.
Thanks.....
 
   / how to charge for tractor work #14  
All -

This has been talked about in the recent past. In most cases, if you use your tractor on your property, it should be covered by your homeowners insurance. Make sure you tell your insurance company about it.

With our coverage, if the tractor left our property, I was not covered. That did not leave a warm and fuzzy feeling in my tummy. So, we called around and got insurance with our current insurer, Erie Insurance. Our agent looked over what was available and he found that a Landscapers policy was the best way to go. One of the first questions asked was - "Do you have a backhoe?". I don't have one and he basically said, "Good!! Saved yourself a lot of money!!".

We have a Lanscapers business policy with $350K liability. This allows us to have 10 employees (wife and kids /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif) plus myself. All for $500/yr and some change. All of the equipment is fully covered and our backsides are covered (to a certain extent /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif).

As with most people, we have too much to lose and there are too many people out there who are more than willing to sue you over some silly mistake. $500 is cheap insurance in the long run.

Terry
 
   / how to charge for tractor work #15  
I carry a 1 Million $$$$$ General Liability policy. This covers me and my Company for whatever may happen on a clients property. Including the use of my tractor w/ backhoe. In case I back into their house or car or if I drive accross their yard and wreck shrubs etc. or if God Forbid I cave in their septic tank.
The cost of the policy is based somehow on my company's yearly gross income. The more $$ I earn, they increase the premium. I believe the premium I paid for the 2001 was around $700 total
 
   / how to charge for tractor work #16  
That's pretty good. The price I got on contractor's insurance was around $300.00 per year, with no backhoe. I didn't get a backhoe price yet.

I wonder if they consider a trencher a backhoe? I wouldn't miind gettng a trencher and doing some odd jobs. I'll have to ask them about that.
 
   / how to charge for tractor work #17  
There are a couple of ways to charge, by the job (go fast and make some money) or by the hour. My time is 35 per hour. A tractor costs about 10-12 per hour to run, replacement cost, maintenance, fuel and depreciation, etc. I have a friend the just traded off a skid loader. He kept records and his cost to operate was 6.70 per hour.

Add your rate to the cost and then figure that you need to have a profit on the equipment. So my final cost is $55.00 per hour with a driver. Two-hour minimum. It takes me a half hour to load, hook the trailer, check everything and fuel. Then there is travel time. And finally unload, clean up, etc. Half hour load and prep, half hour each way to the job and one hour on the job with a half hour unload and clean up the rig makes 3 hours of time for $55.00. We are loosing money on this one. With a two-hour minimum we have 4 hours for $110, not too great, but we should at least break even.

All these people are our friends and we don't want to take advantage of them, but pull up a natural gas line and see who pays, certainly not our friend, he wasn't operating the tractor.

My insurance (landscaper rate) costs $65 per month. Can't leave home without it.

<font color=blue>Oh and when you get the jokers that say joe shome will do it for 15 an hour so why is your price so high</font color=blue>
Certainly there are people that will undercut your price. On another site I read this answer to them: "Sure, I can do it for that......but I'll still make the same amount of money. I have to to stay in business. At my rate, my experience, and knowledge work for you. At the lower rate they work for me. So I can do the job for less, and you'll always wonder where I cut the corner. Which rate would you prefer?"

Don't undercut yourself; be bold when offering your price. You are worth it. I lose to others on some estimates. Right now I could stay busy 24 hours per day/7 days per week, so if I loose to someone else, it's ok, I still have plenty of work.
 
   / how to charge for tractor work #18  
I charge seventy five with a four hour minimum.

There are some guys that are friends that are umpteen times better than I am with the skid loader. They charge fifty to sixty. I recommend them if the work is just moving dirt or materials.

By the same token they recommend me if the job is something that requires off the wall equipment like holes really deep.

Then there are some customers who just plain trust me and if I can do whatever or there's a chance I can do whatever they'd rather have me do it.

Sunday evening about quarter of six I was by myself in a business park. I'd just finished hand digging twelve holes through gumbo mud and over sprinkler lines. This was so a customer could get a certificate of occupancy. He'd failed because he didn't have little hand rails at the back doors of the offices. The sidewalks were configured where the handrails couldn't be attached to the sides of the sidewalks or onto the faces of them.

So Sunday I'd fab'd up six handrails, simple inch and a quarter pipe bent to fit each set of set of steps and they were each different. It'd been a hard day.

As I stood there looking at the surplus dirt piles and the sacrete splatter on the landscape edging I thought that I was too expensive help to be picking that up and cleaning up the mess. Besides that I was too tired. It'd been a long hard day.

Then I shook my head and then started cleaning it all up. I picked up the surplus dirt and placed it in the wheelbarrow. I hauled it over to an area where there was some construction trash. I got out a five gallon bucket of water and a rag and washed off all the concrete splatter off the bottoms of the posts.

When I was all done with their job I started mine of picking up all the tools and getting ready to go home.

You see I understand there's this video tape running. I'm not in control of it. But I must never forget that it's running. If I don't take the time to clean up then the tape will record that fact and it will be replayed many times by this customer.

By the same token if I clean up real good and leave the job with everything spic and span. Well, that will be played over and over again also. It's up to us to always keep in mind the camera's running. And we get to decide just what character we're going to play.
 
   / how to charge for tractor work #19  
Turfman,

What kind of work are you doing? Mowing? Light grading? Raking?
How are you getting business?

We have had two layoffs this year and if things don't get better there
will be more. Given that there ain't any jobs in my field right now
what to do? Well I got a F350, a tractor and equipments, chainsaw
and equipment, so I just need a trailer add some insurance and I'm
in business. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Someone recommended a Lawncare/Landscaping site but I don't
have the address at work. It was helpful on the business side
of things. But I'm still plotting and planning in case...

Thanks,
Dan
 
   / how to charge for tractor work #20  
Thats pretty deep Harv, but I know what you mean. I was finishing up a final grade for a house my cousin built, loaded up and was sweeping the sidewalk of dirt and the owner came out and we started talking about landscaping thoughts he had. He than said as I was making sure the sidewalk looked good "You know your not impressing me", I just smiled and kept sweeping.
 

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