How to compare loader specs

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Fiziksgeek

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Hey all,

I've been thinking about upgrade my GC2400. One possibiity is moving up to a GC1710/20, but I've been pricing out a more significant option, moving to a kubota b2601. Reviewing specs on various machine got me thinking about what numbers are really meaningful to a user. Here are some numbers

Massey ferguson DL100 loader
lift capacity@pins 678 lbs.
break out force@ pins 1205 lbs.

Massey ferguson DL95 loader
lift capacity@pins 870 lbs.
break out force@ pins 920 lbs.

Kubota LA434 loader
lift capacity@pins 948 lbs.
break out force@ pins 1521 lbs

The newer Massey Ferguson DL95 has ~30% greater list capacity, but also has ~25% less break out force than my current DL100 loader. The LA424 has only 9% great lift capacity than the DL95, but nearly 70% more break out force.

When does break out force become a significant driver of performance?
 
   / How to compare loader specs #2  
When you are getting under dirt, to load bucket, especially clay.

When you are grubbing out a sapling by its roots or a boulder.

When you are lifting a pallet out of mud with pallet forks.


No agency monitors published manufacturer's specs for accuracy.

So far as I am concerned 10% (+/-) variance in any spec between manufacturers is the same number.
 
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Lift capacity at the pins and lift capacity at 500 mm is the most important. I wouldn't worry about minor differences in break out force, but 70% is a big difference.
 
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I guess the direct question is, would I feel like I got my moneys worth if I upgraded to a B2601. It only has a bit more lift capacity, but with a little more weight, 3 range hydro, and significantly higher break out force, it should dig into materials much better.
 
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I guess the direct question is, would I feel like I got my moneys worth if I upgraded to a B2601. It only has a bit more lift capacity, but with a little more weight, 3 range hydro, and significantly higher break out force, it should dig into materials much better.

Yes it will,
Break out is important. I have a Max28 with 1400 Lbs at the pins, but so-so break out. Even my L39 could use bigger curl cylinders, like the L45 has, even bigger. I would never want a 2 Speed hydro, never mind not even getting excited about 3 Speed Hydro.
 
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Why is your current tractor unsatisfactory?
 
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I was thinking of a backhoe, which I can't add to my current tractor. I'd also like a bigger bucket for moving loose material like mulch and firewood. And I think you commented on my other thread about a bucket grapple, if I upgraded to a machine with a ssqa bucket, I'd likely purchase a full grapple also.
 
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You left out the second most critical loader variable. Stating the maximum lift capacity without the maximum lift height leaves a gaping hole in the comparison.

The Kubota loader goes 5.5" higher than the Massey loaders, so the difference in actual lifting ability is greater than it appears on the surface.

Using fictional, easy math, if loader A can lift 800lbs to 73" and loader B can lift 800lbs to 78.5", loader B is more powerful (it could lift more than 800lbs at only 73").

In this situation, the Kubota loader would likely lift something like 1,100lbs at the height where your Massey is limited to 678lbs...a pretty significant difference.

This is part of why it would be great if all manufacturers would provide max lift capacity at a standardized height so you could make a direct comparison that means something. Some do, and some don't, and many don't list whether their specs are with, or without the bucket....annoying.
 
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OP... I think you're comparing the wrong machines... Look into a Massey 1726e, that's a more appropriate model to compare to a B2601.
 
   / How to compare loader specs #10  
OP... I think you're comparing the wrong machines... Look into a Massey 1726e, that's a more appropriate model to compare to a B2601.

I think he knows the MF is less than the B, he's wondering if he should move up to the B.

Gman is right on with the lift heights, that B loader looks like it is way more than your MF. With more weight, I would think there would be a significant difference. Also, a 2 range tranny would drive me nuts, I use MED for almost everything, just right combo of speed and power. HI is too fast with not enough power usually, and LO is too slow for most uses, but does have a lot of power.
 

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