How to control weeds in a corn crop

   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #11  
Volfandt said:
I use a rear tine tiller and a hoe :D
If I ever get that tiller attachment for my old Wheel Horse, my rows will go to 40" and I'll be a-sitt'n on my rear when I weed's :D

I used to use ammonium nitrate but thanks to the terrorists, I'm going to have to find something else as I'll be out this year and I don't know what ot would take to buy a 50lb bag of it now....

What WAS once tagged as "Ammonium Nitrate" is still available, just now called "34-0-0". Same thing. It's still available at our local Co-op and I saw a customer carrying a couple bags to his car at the neighborhood hardware store just last week.

I suppose Homeland Security thinks the typical terrorist isn't that smart.
 
   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #12  
Here's what some of the experts say.

Fertilizing corn can wait, planting can't, agronomists say

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. – A wet early spring kept many tractors parked in the barn. Now, with corn planting dates bearing down on farmers there may not be time to apply nitrogen fertilizer in advance.
Growers might be better off waiting to fertilize until later in the crop season, say Purdue University Cooperative Extension Service agronomists.

"Sidedressing of anhydrous ammonia this year might be the preferred route," said Tony Vyn, Extension cropping systems specialist.
"It's going to enable farmers to concentrate their available field work days on planting, instead of applying a preplant application of anhydrous. With the optimum planting period for corn beginning and running through May 5 in a large part of the state, it's more important for farmers to focus their priorities first on planting and second on the nitrogen application."

Most years, about half the preplant anhydrous is applied by April 20, Vyn said. This year, excessive rain has made it difficult for farmers to do field work. Many fields have standing water or are too soft to support heavy equipment.

Unlike preplant applications, sidedressing is done after corn has emerged. The anhydrous is applied between the crop rows.
Sidedressing works with both conventional and no-till planting, and is best suited to well-drained soils. The in-season treatment offers no yield advantage but research suggests less nitrogen is lost to denitrification and leaching than with preplant applications, which are done typically weeks before seed goes into the ground.

"Sidedressing can commence as soon as farmers are able to see the corn rows," Vyn said. "It is, perhaps, most efficiently applied when corn is in about the V4 to V6 stage."
In V4 – or vegetative stage four – the corn plant has four leaves with collars visible at the junction of the leaf base and stem. By V6, the plant has two more leaves with visible collars. Corn usually reaches the V4 to V6 growth stages in June.
Because the nitrogen is applied after corn has already begun to grow, sidedressing offers benefits preplant applications do not, said Vyn and Sylvie Brouder, Extension soil fertility specialist.

"The one advantage is the fact that you can apply somewhat lower overall rates of nitrogen compared to preplant applications," Vyn said. "Second, it allows for better fine-tuning of rates because it allows you the opportunity to take a pre-sidedress nitrate test and know just what your nitrogen requirements actually are."

Although nitrogen rates are often lower when sidedressing, corn makes better use of the fertilizer, Brouder said.
"If you're applying the nitrogen as a sidedress, your application will be more efficient because the nitrogen is applied closer to the time of crop need and less is lost prior to the time the crop needs the nitrogen," Brouder said. "A sidedress application will normally be equally effective at providing nitrogen to corn even when total nitrogen rates are reduced by 10 percent relative to a preplant application."
A soil nitrate test can help farmers with fields high in organic matter or a history of manure application better target how much sidedress nitrogen they'll need, if any. Farmers should collect 20-25 soil core samples at random places in a field. The samples should be air-dried and then sent to a competent soil testing lab for analysis.

"The pre-sidedress nitrate test is best done by waiting until the corn is at least 6 inches tall," Vyn said. "You should receive the results back from the lab within a matter of days and then adjust your nitrogen fertilizer rate accordingly."

While applying nitrogen fertilizer as a sidedress appears a viable option this year, potential problems can develop, Vyn said. Should the weather be uncooperative when corn reaches the ideal stage for sidedress, it may be impossible to apply the nitrogen before the crop grows too tall, he said.
 
   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #13  
For sweet corn I use an old JD 2-row planter.. the rows are narrow enough to fit on the inside of the tractor wheels. When the corn is about 6 inches to a foot high.. you can broadcast fertilizer.. then hit the corn w/ a 2-row cultivator.. this covers & pushes the fertilizer/dirt into hills on each side of the corn. They'll always be some weeds.. but the faster you can get your corn to canopy the field.. it'll suppress the weeds better.

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   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #14  
I saw a nice JD 2 row model 246 planter go for $400 at a sale a couple days ago.
 
   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #15  
oliver28472 said:
I saw a nice JD 2 row model 246 planter go for $400 at a sale a couple days ago.

$400 to $500 is about "the going rate" for a decent one. Saw one advertised on another site (yesterday) for a grand. Some folks sure are proud of their goods.
 
   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #16  
PineRidge said:
Here's what some of the experts say.

Fertilizing corn can wait, planting can't, agronomists say

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. – A wet early spring kept many tractors parked in the barn. Now, with corn planting dates bearing down on farmers there may not be time to apply nitrogen fertilizer in advance.
Growers might be better off waiting to fertilize until later in the crop season, say Purdue University Cooperative Extension Service agronomists.

"Sidedressing of anhydrous ammonia this year might be the preferred route," said Tony Vyn, Extension cropping systems specialist.
"It's going to enable farmers to concentrate their available field work days on planting, instead of applying a preplant application of anhydrous. With the optimum planting period for corn beginning and running through May 5 in a large part of the state, it's more important for farmers to focus their priorities first on planting and second on the nitrogen application."

Most years, about half the preplant anhydrous is applied by April 20, Vyn said. This year, excessive rain has made it difficult for farmers to do field work. Many fields have standing water or are too soft to support heavy equipment.

Unlike preplant applications, sidedressing is done after corn has emerged. The anhydrous is applied between the crop rows.
Sidedressing works with both conventional and no-till planting, and is best suited to well-drained soils. The in-season treatment offers no yield advantage but research suggests less nitrogen is lost to denitrification and leaching than with preplant applications, which are done typically weeks before seed goes into the ground.

"Sidedressing can commence as soon as farmers are able to see the corn rows," Vyn said. "It is, perhaps, most efficiently applied when corn is in about the V4 to V6 stage."
In V4 – or vegetative stage four – the corn plant has four leaves with collars visible at the junction of the leaf base and stem. By V6, the plant has two more leaves with visible collars. Corn usually reaches the V4 to V6 growth stages in June.
Because the nitrogen is applied after corn has already begun to grow, sidedressing offers benefits preplant applications do not, said Vyn and Sylvie Brouder, Extension soil fertility specialist.

"The one advantage is the fact that you can apply somewhat lower overall rates of nitrogen compared to preplant applications," Vyn said. "Second, it allows for better fine-tuning of rates because it allows you the opportunity to take a pre-sidedress nitrate test and know just what your nitrogen requirements actually are."

Although nitrogen rates are often lower when sidedressing, corn makes better use of the fertilizer, Brouder said.
"If you're applying the nitrogen as a sidedress, your application will be more efficient because the nitrogen is applied closer to the time of crop need and less is lost prior to the time the crop needs the nitrogen," Brouder said. "A sidedress application will normally be equally effective at providing nitrogen to corn even when total nitrogen rates are reduced by 10 percent relative to a preplant application."
A soil nitrate test can help farmers with fields high in organic matter or a history of manure application better target how much sidedress nitrogen they'll need, if any. Farmers should collect 20-25 soil core samples at random places in a field. The samples should be air-dried and then sent to a competent soil testing lab for analysis.

"The pre-sidedress nitrate test is best done by waiting until the corn is at least 6 inches tall," Vyn said. "You should receive the results back from the lab within a matter of days and then adjust your nitrogen fertilizer rate accordingly."

While applying nitrogen fertilizer as a sidedress appears a viable option this year, potential problems can develop, Vyn said. Should the weather be uncooperative when corn reaches the ideal stage for sidedress, it may be impossible to apply the nitrogen before the crop grows too tall, he said.

I take it this was aimed at me. Ok, I run a family farm that has been in continuous operation since before Minnesota was a state. We've been a seed dealer for over 70 years. We don't just plant seed, we guide others with choosing the correct seed for their needs and conditions. We were the first in the area to have a thrash machine, a tractor, a combine, swathers, ect... We have alway's been on the forefront of "modernization". We currently, or have in the past, been into chickens, eggs, beef, dairy, pork, grain, and truck farming. The other half is a certified master gardener from one of the top agricultural universities in the world. I tell you this so you understand I know a little about farming.

In order to grow strong corn, you must get it to develop a strong root system. To do this, you must make the roots "chase" food and water. Not much you can do about the water part, but you control the food part. Now, by placing the fertilizer in the row with the seed, the water, as it rains, will pull the fertilizer down into the ground. Your making the root's "chase' the food. Now with side dressing, there are 2 issues. One, you are not making the roots "chase" the food, becouse it's on top, or shallow in the ground. Now if you go along with side dressing equipment that has knives that cut into the ground and inject the fertilizer, you are setting yourself up for root problems. Now, the second issue. When you side dress, you are puting the fertilizer next to the row, not in or under it. As it rains, the fertilizer flows with the water. For the most part, the water is going to go straight down, not under the corn. So now maybe 60% of the fertilizer is making it to the corn, and the rest is either feeding weeds, or washing away. This is the waste part I refered to. I agree, side dressing with 35%+ nitrogen will give you great corn, but you are wasting fertilizer and $$$. The best situation would be to plant corn in one spot one year, then move to another the next year and plant turn down clover in the first spot, turn that under and plant the corn in there the third year with a good fertilizer in the rows as you plant the corn. If you are stuck with just one spot every year, you will have to go with a little more nitrogen to keep the soil up. We have a 2 stage crop rotation on our farm. We rotate corn and oats every year, then rotate those fields out into alfalfa and clover for a few years, then back into corn and oats.
 
   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #17  
Neverenough I really can't debate with you since my information came from folks that know a lot more about growing corn than I do. Guess it does prove that there is more than one way to do just about anything including growing corn though.

As far as our practice we fertilize with 12-12-12 as the seed is put in the ground. We then water in Urea dissolved with water as a side-dress when the corn is about 12 inches in height. That normally makes the corn head for the sky.
 
   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #18  
PineRidge said:
Neverenough I really can't debate with you since my information came from folks that know a lot more about growing corn than I do. Guess it does prove that there is more than one way to do just about anything including growing corn though.

As far as our practice we fertilize with 12-12-12 as the seed is put in the ground. We then water in Urea dissolved with water as a side-dress when the corn is about 12 inches in height. That normally makes the corn head for the sky.

There's an old saying that's always been popular around here. "There's more than one way to skin a cat". It applies to everything in one form or another.

There's always a better way to do anything, including planting corn. Then there's "how I make it work with what I have to work with". It's doubtfull that the typical "1/2 acre of sweetcorn grower" is going to invest in a "zone builder", dig root pits, or have tissue analysis done on their corn crop. If you're growing 5000 acres and trying to achieve record yields, you might do one thing. If you're trying to grow enough corn to feed 5 cows for a year, or to put 100 ears of sweetcorn in the freezer, you'll do something entirely different.

For 30+ years, I put out a small corn crop to sell some and to feed a few cows. I got good results by merely broadcasting fertilizer before planting, then side-dressing and cultivating. It worked well, stayed with-in my budget, and kept my cows fat and happy.

Maybe I wasn't on the cutting edge of technology, but I made a few bucks along the way.

This summer, we grew about a 1/2 acre of sweetcorn. (WAS planning on more until I decided to break a leg) I picked the last of it yesterday. It was a bumper crop. I didn't even do the side-dressing this year. Just fertilized heavy before planting.

Do what works for you, with what means you have to work with. If it works, then that's the RIGHT way.
 
   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #19  
I till in the spring and plant. When the weeds just start to come up I run a tiller between the rows and then plant pumpkins between the rows. That's the end of the tilling. The pumpkins start to take off and when the corn is about knee high the vines usually take over the ground and shade out the weeds and keep the soil moist in the hot part of the summer.
 
   / How to control weeds in a corn crop #20  
I plant mine in raised rows with gullies between the rows made by disc hillers behind the tires of the tractor. Then I mulch the rows before planting my corn seeds (just scratch away mulch to put the seed in the dirt). I just hoe in the gullies until the corn gets too high to get in there; pull the rare weed in the mulched row. Then I put a 2 liter container on the end of the Roundup pump sprayer and use it on the weeds. The cut-in-half container keeps the spray from spreading. Can even sit it over a weed and zap it.

I don't use any fertilizer. Corn is taller than my eyeball now. The earliest 1/2 row is ripening. Plant 1/2 row about every 10 days.

You guys using your rototillers should read Teaming with Microbes by Lowenfels. He advocates tillers only for new ground and compost or compost tea instead of fertilizer. He wouldn't like my use of Roundup, which is only a little bit though.

Ralph
 

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