How to disable reverse PTO kill switch?

getut · May 13, 2005

( Guys, we are mixing up seperate issues here. The only thing the Magnuson Moss Act does is protect the consumer from having to use OEM parts)
No.. the Act deals with Warranties and their definitions. When they can be defaulted on and such. It is much broader than what you mention.

( CubTech; If you alter/tamper with the unit at all you will void the factory warranty. )
Cub.. your are wrong, plain and simple. The Act specifically allows ANY modification to a unit. Modification not ONLY covers oil filters and other items, but also physical modification. Before a warranty can LEGALLY be refused, an owner modification (of ANY type) must be DIRECTLY proven (by the dealer or manufacturer) to have been the cause of the problem and not a defect. If an owner decides disassemble his entire tractor and use the parts for something else, not a single safety interlock survives the owners assault, and the owner finds out that a tire had a puncture from the factory... guess what... the dealer gets to either replace the tire or break the law by defaulting on the warranty.

( The dealer cannot let a machine go out the door without an originally installed safety feature, as this could somehow be traced back to them. Magnuson-Moss has nothing to due with bypassing a safety device.)
Magnuson-Moss has to do with warranties. See above.

wle · May 13, 2005

MAGNUSON MOSS WARRANTY ACT

US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312

Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) .

wle · May 13, 2005

This woulod apply to disabling the switch as well.

CubTech · May 13, 2005

If you really want to get into this... It is the dealers choice on whether the warranty is valid in a situation like this.

The dealer will not work on an "unsafe" unit.

YOu can scream about the ACT all you want. If you ALTER or TAMPER with the unit your warranty will be voided.

If the switch is bypassed or removed it will be repaired or replaced and the unit will be returned to you in factory condition. Due to liability and insurance reasons. In some cases you will be charged for the replacment of the switch(s).

The dealers and Cub do this to protect you and themselves.

You may think its a burden but its there for your safety!

I don't see what the fascination is with mowing in reverse anyways. Ive been mowing for years and never had to mow in reverse. The deck is in the middle of the mower and you have the same blade cut on both sides on almost all of the units.

Do you cut your whole lawn in reverse?

All this fuss over a safety device.

getut · May 13, 2005

You may speak the truth about the dealer refusing service.. but you are wrong that they can do it legally.

If an owner decided to take a dealer to court over refused warranty work because of an unrelated modification, then most certainly the dealership would lose and would be forced to make the repair anyway.

You are correct that it is the dealerships decision, but they cannot make that decision arbitrarily. They must adhere to the law in refusals or risk lawsuits that they would absolutely lose in a situation such as we're talking about here. An ill informed owner could be refused in this scenario and go home with their head hung low. A well informed consumer would know their rights and take it all the way to court if necessary.

As for the repair statement, you are wrong there also. If a shop charged for repairing something that the unit was not brought in for, the consumer can legally refuse payment.

I'm done with this one now, but I'll end by saying you obviously work for Cub and have a vested interested in spreading FUD (Fear, uncertainty, doubt) about consumer warranty rights. These are rights guaranteed to the consumer. All they have to do is be informed and stand up for them.

CubTech · May 13, 2005

Wow, have you ever heard of the right to refuse service? The dealer has every right to refuse service or warranty.

Cub isn't going to pay for your mistake. Neither is the dealer.

So since you claim to know everything.... show me a manufacturer that will pay for you altering or tampering with the unit?

You are right though, a customer can refuse payment. The tractor will remain at the dealership till the bill is paid.

A dealer can refuse any repair at any time. If you don't like it you can choose a different dealer.

I see this stuff ALL DAY long and I deal with it ALL DAY long.

Its like me going out to my car and disabling the airbags and driving home. I get into an accident and get injured or the car breaks down or it doesn't start. Those injuries or the car breaking down couldve been prevented if I hadnt disconnected the airbags.

So I take the car to a dealer and the warranty gets denied because they see that I disconnected the airbags.

Its the same thing. The car's manufacturer isnt gonna pay to fix it.

and you can't take them to court and win either...

This is my last post... because you know the ol saying about opinions.

wildcatman · May 13, 2005

I happen to enjoy the ability to mow in reverse. Only a moron would accept the blades disengaging every time they want to reverse the tractor.

JTKub · May 13, 2005

( (( MAGNUSON MOSS WARRANTY ACT

US Code - Title 15, Chapter 50, Sections 2301-2312

Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) [/Q]

Thanks wle! Like I said, that's it in a nutshell.

G/luck
Joel

ronT · May 14, 2005

Cub_Tech1...

Give it up, you can't win. That safety switch is anything but safe imo. The public has spoken and it is not wanted, which is why on the new models it can be disabled.

I bought a new 3204 last year and after my first use that ridiculous switch was disabled. It is the biggest nuisance on the machine as well as the seat switch. It took me considerably longer to mow my yard with it(what a pain it was). Also not good for the pto & belts constantly stopping & starting.

You suggest "If you want to mow in reverse trade your unit in for the new model that has Mow n Reverse Technology installed." Sure can tell what side of the fence You are on. AMAZING...

If manufactures wouldn't produce products the way people want...people will not buy them, simple.

As far as airbags in cars...they are also dangerous...my daughter was almost killed BECAUSE OF an airbag deploying after hitting a deer and being blinded from the bag which caused her to lose control and just stopping short of going over a embankment.

Just had to vent after reading your ridiculous posts.

Disable the safety switches and enjoy your machines the way they should be. IMO..... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

ron

JoshJ · May 14, 2005

( I don't see what the fascination is with mowing in reverse anyways. Ive been mowing for years and never had to mow in reverse. )
The problem isnt mowing in reverse, its driving. OK, I'll bite, so you may have never mowed one speck of grass in reverse. But I am willing to bet that at least once you have reversed to reposition the mower (3-pt turns, anyone?) That is the problem. I personally have no fascination with mowing in reverse (unless I get reallyyyyy bored /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif or have a short strip to do) but its nice to be able to back up to reposition and not deal with the PTO everytime. I have enough to do to still be able to cut a lawn in a decent amount of time.

( Do you cut your whole lawn in reverse? )
Hahaha..... Not sure what you trying to prove with that but it sure would be fun to try sometime!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif