Buying Advice How To Tell What Tires Are Loaded With?

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Stickbo

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2008 Kubota MX5100
I've got serious interest in a used tractor. The tires are loaded with a clear liquid but the salesman can't tell me for sure what it is. Is there a way too find out for certain? I don't want to end up with calcium chloride or who knows what else that could cause me grief down the road.
If there is no way to tell can whatever is in the be taken out or replaced with rim guard?
 
   / How To Tell What Tires Are Loaded With? #2  
The liquid can be drained out and the tire broken down (to ensure you have all the liquid out) and if there is a tube in it then squish most of the liquid out. Remount the tire and tube and load with RG. I wouldn't take the wheel of the tractor to do this.
I have heard that RG stinks to high heaven, where Calcium does not.
 
   / How To Tell What Tires Are Loaded With?
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The dealer had his tire guy look at it and he says it is calcium chloride but that there are tubes in the tires. Do the tubes make it ok, or would it still be best to have it changed out? I could make that a condition of sale, but I'm sure would end up bumping up the final purchase price in the end.
 
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I have a tractor that's had calcium chloride in them now for 23 yrs. with no problem. Regardless my new tractor will get beet juice.
 
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If the tube holds, it won't rust your rims. If it is not leaking why not just run with it.

But down the road if you notice a leak, then take care of it.
 
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I agree with GpintheMitten. In a tube, no problem.

Ralph
 
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I've had calcium in my old JD for 28 years. Did it create a problem? Yes. When it was time to buy new tires, I noticed the calcium had dug a hole into one of the rims. A little weld and sanding took care of that. The rest of the rims were in good shape. The largest problems happen near the tube valve where some of the stuff can squirt out as the valve ages. I just sanded the rest of the inside of the rim, primed it with Rustoleum then coated that with Chassis Guard and then repainted over that with bridge paint. I did not expect to encounter another problem with these until after my death.
The nice thing about calcium is that you can handle it yourself if a tire needs repair or replacement and is easily pumped from one vessel to another with the right hose adapters.
 
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I'd drain out a gallon and weigh it. In WI it's probably calcium chloride.
 
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I just filled 2 tires with beet juice, I can almost buy rims for what that cost me. I have calcium in a couple of tractors, both old, like 53 and 67, the key is if you get a flat, break the tire down and wash the rim thoroughly. In the tube no problem, on the rim is bad. I think I would stick with the calcium.
 
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Just let a bit out on your hand and taste it. If it's calcium chloride you know. It shouldn't be a deal breaker, it's cheap, heavy and good stuff. I don't understand the fear of it. People act like it's nuclear waste? It's salt water...
 
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“The traction or pulling power which a tire can exert is in proportion to the weight it carries. The greater the load on the tire, the more traction effort it can exert. The way to secure more traction and reduce tire slippage and tread wear is to add weight to the rear axle. Filling tires with liquid is one of the most widely used methods of adding weight to the drive axle of a tractor because of its economy and simplicity. Plain water may be used where freezing never occurs. In colder climates where freezing temperatures occur, calcium chloride flake can be added at the strengths of 3.5lbs per gallon of water. For extremely cold climates, 5lbs of calcium chloride per gallon of water is used. Note that calcium chloride not only provides freezing protection but also increases the weight added by 20% and 28% for 3.5lbs./gal. and 5lbs./gal. respectively. Front and rear tires should only be filled to 75% or “valve level”. Use of fills greater than this are not recommended because the tire becomes more susceptible to impact breaks. For softer ride and better control of power hop, it is recommended that 40% fill (4 o’clock valve position) not be exceeded. Liquid fill has a stiffening effect on tire deflection, especially at lower inflation pressure. Because of this, use of liquid fill may make controlling power hop more difficult. Either tube type or tubeless tires may be filled with calcium chloride solution. Rim corrosion is not a problem with tubeless tires as long as the tire is always kept inflated. This keeps outside air sealed away from the rim and restrains corrosion. A rim used tubeless with calcium chloride solution must be rinsed with tap water immediately after dismounting to prevent extremely rapid corrosion.”

The above is from Titan. At Caterpillar, we ship thousands of vibratory compactors each year with tires loaded with CaCl, tubeless. Like Titan says, as long as the tire is inflated, rim corrosion is not a problem although we do use special valves. All of our competitors also use CaCl in their tubeless tires. After all these are compactors and we need all the weight possible. Salt water is an irritant but not toxic like many anti-freezes, and is much less expensive than Rimguard. For a person not needing a great deal of fluid Rimguard is great but remember that it too has its problems if one has a flat. It is sticky and if it sprays out of the puncture against the tractor it can be quite a gooey mess to clean up.
 
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Just let a bit out on your hand and taste it. If it's calcium chloride you know. It shouldn't be a deal breaker, it's cheap, heavy and good stuff. I don't understand the fear of it. People act like it's nuclear waste? It's salt water...

Yeah, and there's a reason any metal in saltwater has to be specially coated...saltwater is mildly corrosive over long periods of time, and tractor rims aren't, to the best of my knowledge, specially coated.
 
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Yeah, and there's a reason any metal in saltwater has to be specially coated...saltwater is mildly corrosive over long periods of time, and tractor rims aren't, to the best of my knowledge, specially coated.

You are correct, they can rust through, over about 35-40 years; don't think most of the people on here will be alive to care then. We fill them with plain water here, but I certainly wouldn't avoid, drain, or replace one with Calcium; I would however make sure I don't let them sit half flat or anything else that would encourage early problems.
 
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MharryE, the air in the tire per the inflation can be the source of oxygen that the salt water "uses" to corrode the metal. It is my understanding (perhaps errant) that slat solution ballast should fill the wheel/tire assembly such that all of the metal is submerged and only that air pocket above the 12 o'clock position is remaining and pressurized.

The glory of liquid ballast is that the weight is NOT on the axle, its on bottom of the tire where the rubber meets the "road".

prs
 
   / How To Tell What Tires Are Loaded With?
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Well, being the constant worrier that I am I decided to have them take the CC out. Some here will of course think I am nuts, but that's ok, I already knew that.:rolleyes:
I really don't think I will need the ballast anyway. A good friend of mine has a machine just slightly smaller than this one with no weight in the tires and his does everything that I am going to want to do with no problems. Some of my ground is low seasonally wet stuff and I am also thinking it will work better down there without weight. I just didn't want to worry about developing a leak somehow or have a valve stem go bad and end up with a problem down the road. I talked with a local tire guy that deals with tractor tires all the time and that was his advice. If I ever change my mind I'll probably add windshield washer fluid.
Thanks for the help!
 

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