Loader Hoye power steering kit--if your loader valve doesn't have power beyond?

[rokryder]

Wow...now I see what you meant about having the hydraulics located in the steering shaft. It looks like that would be a better system than the aftermarket, but who knows?
I read your thread again about your power beyond adapter...I have to keep on thanking you and all the others here for taking time to help...and, if I am not mistaken, it seems that your adapter is inserted into the top hole and then screws in to an inner chamber in the valve, closing it off...then the fluid in the outside chamber is routed through the fitting that you installed in the top hole of the valve, going to the input of your diverter and then on to the power steering on one side of the diverter and the 3 point on the other. Is this correct?

I looked at some of the commercially available power beyond sleeves and, to my eye, it appears that they are hollow in the center with the smaller threads/o-ring screwing into the opening between the center and outer chambers blocking the outer chamber and allowing fluid from the center chamber to flow to the power beyond fitting. Is this also correct? I understand that the open center allows fluid to flow from the pump to the tank unless diverted into a load via the valve. Are the outer chamber and center chamber at the same pressure differential?

I PM'd Scotty Dive and JTullis earlier, but haven't heard back yet, to try and hone in on exactly what I will need to do in plumbing the kit successfully. I am not opposed to purchasing a "domestic" loader valve that has a power beyond sleeve available, if I can't get my existing loader valve to offer up the power beyond feature...

Another semi-related question has to do with mounting the cylinder...I will need to fabricate or modify the bracketry in the kit due to having the Bulldog loader...is there a specific distance from the axle that the cylinder needs to be mounted in order to have full travel for left and right steering...or am I overthinking this?

Once more...thanks to all and my sincere apologies if all of this has been covered before and I am simply being too dense to process it all!

 

[winston1]

Yes, on your first question about the plug. No, about where the top outlet hose goes. The fluid goes from pump to diverter valve, tees at diverter valve to power steering and to loader control valve inlet. With plug installed internally in control valve the top opening becomes power beyond and goes to the 3 point control valve.
I can't answer any of your questions about other loader valve sleeves. No doubt, there could be a lot of different set ups. I can just assure you if you plug that internal opening under that top plug you will convert your existing valve into power beyond.

Is this the kit you are looking at? POWER STEERING KIT: Yanmar Tractor Parts

 

[rokryder]

Yes, on your first question about the plug. No, about where the top outlet hose goes. The fluid goes from pump to diverter valve, tees at diverter valve to power steering and to loader control valve inlet. With plug installed internally in control valve the top opening becomes power beyond and goes to the 3 point control valve.
I can't answer any of your questions about other loader valve sleeves. No doubt, there could be a lot of different set ups. I can just assure you if you plug that internal opening under that top plug you will convert your existing valve into power beyond.

Is this the kit you are looking at? POWER STEERING KIT: Yanmar Tractor Parts

Yes, that's the kit. I also looked at the Jackson unit, which is twice the cost, and I prefer keeping my business with Hoye. So if I drill a hole in my valve's mounting bracket, I can build a plug for the internal passage beneath the top plug and then that outlet will be a power beyond, correct? (I actually am starting to get this--I, as so many here and on Hoye's forum, really, really appreciate just how helpful you are!!!) So I will need to fashion a plug with an integral o-ring. I figure it will probably be easiest to re-label my hydraulic lines and make note of their position on the valve and then just disconnect them and take the valve to the bench to open the top plug and see what kind of threads are there as well as how much room I have to get a plug in there and be able to have a tool to tighten it through the top plug's opening. It will be a little while before I can jump in on it...a couple of funerals to attend and I really need to get off my butt and put a new clutch in my Jeep...
But when that's done, I will order the kit from Hoye and then begin the install. I know that I will need to fabricate some bracketry, but that's a pleasant challenge.

As far as plumbing, would you go pump output to loader valve input, then power beyond to the FCR51 diverter valve with one output going to the power steering and the other back to the 3 point and the power steering output to the tank dump? I would love if I had the 3/8 NPT opening in the side of my hydraulic tank that you do...but I don't. There are some fittings around the 3 point that might be candidates. What do you think of the idea of tee-ing into the large diameter steel hydraulic tube on the right side of the tractor for a return dump?

Thanks, Winston!

Kim

 

[winston1]

Yes, to your question about the power beyond plug.

I don't feel qualified to make a recommendation about which way to go from your pump. I do believe there is a thread on this forum where someone added power steering but I want to think they went from pump to power steering diverter valve, then to loader valve. I will try and find that thread. I found the thread, it is long, some pictures gone by the wayside, and you will see this can get complicated. https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...ow-power-beyond.html?highlight=power+steering

I would not recommend using the large tubing line for a return. That would be pushing the fluid back through your strainer. You wouldn't want to do that. This might work for you if no other opening on your 2210. Seem to be out of stock, might contact them to see if they expect restock. Hydraulic Return - Dipstick Adapter - Out Of Stock: Yanmar Tractor Parts

 

[Jtullis13]

Sorry I haven't been on here for a while, we have had 2 deaths in our family in the last month.
Winston is full of knowledge on things like this and I also sent you a PM and will help you in anyway I can.

 

[careyo63]

No reply in 10 days so it would be nice to find out if you solved your problem with other people on this forum. That's what it's here for, Esp. since it is from Hoye and used by a few Yanmar owners that may have the same problem. But to be honest "rokryder should have posted this in the Hyd. forum and get professional responses.

 

[clemsonfor]

Any update? And yes the hydraulic guys can probably give expert advice with pictures of your setup and description of how it works.

 

[rokryder]

No reply in 10 days so it would be nice to find out if you solved your problem with other people on this forum. That's what it's here for, Esp. since it is from Hoye and used by a few Yanmar owners that may have the same problem. But to be honest "rokryder should have posted this in the Hyd. forum and get professional responses.

So sorry not to repost...also had a death in the family, along with three close musician friends. I haven’t purchased the kit yet, but hope to at the end of the month.
I emailed Aaron and he indicated that many users of the kit had satisfactory results plumbing as per Frederick’s instructions...he indicated that my 2210 should have the 9cc hydraulic pump, which I assume is the large one some have mentioned. Does this factor into whether or not the kit instructions would be sufficient, or shoud I still look at trying to figure a way to plumb for power beyond? As I have a Bulldog loader rather than a Koyker, I will need to modify the cylinder brackets, which I can do. I (may be overthinking here) wonder about determining the correct distance from the front axle mount to position the cylinder mount so as to have full travel for left and right steering?
Again thanks for ALL of your help and support... it is most greatly appreciated.

 

[rokryder]

Sorry about posting here... I will send it over to the hydraulic forum ASAP.

 

[careyo63]

We are saying that the Hyd. forum is were the experts are located here on TBN.. When it comes to Yanmar Tractors your at one of the best places. Next to Hoye or Frederick's. Fred. is Yanmar basically. I know how it is about things that comes up. All I can do the last few days myself. New set of FM. blades that been sitting by the back door since Sat.. I'm doing that one tomorrow and finish it up before the season starts in a few weeks, If that......