gwdixon
Elite Member
You do know that Kubota SUDT is not synthetic.
Oil & Fuel HST Oil
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ModMech
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Here's a n00bs $0.02 (not that I have no experience, just not on TBN 
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Cars and pickups typically operate at 25-25% load and same for rated speed.
Trucks typically operate at 30-50% rated load and up to 100% for short periods and 85% rated speed.
Tractors? Not sure, but looking around my farming "neighborhood" the tractors are about like a truck. Lots of short use easy to moderate work and a few hours of real hard work now and again.
As long as the oil meets the appropriate specification, or exceeds it, there is no real loss of protection. The standard are minimum standards and most oils exceede them by a LARGE margin, but that margin is different from brand to brand and often within brands of different weights.
Having worked with dozens of dealers from automtive, truck and equipment I can assure everyone that in *most* cases the oil they use is BULK and not from the nameplate manufacturer. Back years ago, where I grew up Pennzoil was the predominant oil used by the automotive houses, from AMC to Mercedes all the oil was the same brand, unless it came over the parts counter at the retail level. Same for the truck and equipment dealers, just a different brand for those (Mobil).
If you use a name brand product, you don't *really* have anything to be concerend about, not at all. If the lube meets the OEM spec and most will.
To my way of thinking, telling a customer they have to use OEM fluids and filters (or implying that they really should) is an utter dis-service to the brand, dealer and most importantly the customer. The equipment is better served by frequent attention and budget fluids than infrequent attention and "premium" products from my 25 years of tearing stuff apart.
)Cars and pickups typically operate at 25-25% load and same for rated speed.
Trucks typically operate at 30-50% rated load and up to 100% for short periods and 85% rated speed.
Tractors? Not sure, but looking around my farming "neighborhood" the tractors are about like a truck. Lots of short use easy to moderate work and a few hours of real hard work now and again.
As long as the oil meets the appropriate specification, or exceeds it, there is no real loss of protection. The standard are minimum standards and most oils exceede them by a LARGE margin, but that margin is different from brand to brand and often within brands of different weights.
Having worked with dozens of dealers from automtive, truck and equipment I can assure everyone that in *most* cases the oil they use is BULK and not from the nameplate manufacturer. Back years ago, where I grew up Pennzoil was the predominant oil used by the automotive houses, from AMC to Mercedes all the oil was the same brand, unless it came over the parts counter at the retail level. Same for the truck and equipment dealers, just a different brand for those (Mobil).
If you use a name brand product, you don't *really* have anything to be concerend about, not at all. If the lube meets the OEM spec and most will.
To my way of thinking, telling a customer they have to use OEM fluids and filters (or implying that they really should) is an utter dis-service to the brand, dealer and most importantly the customer. The equipment is better served by frequent attention and budget fluids than infrequent attention and "premium" products from my 25 years of tearing stuff apart.
bp fick
Super Member
Here's a n00bs $0.02 (not that I have no experience, just not on TBN
Cars and pickups typically operate at 25-25% load and same for rated speed.
Trucks typically operate at 30-50% rated load and up to 100% for short periods and 85% rated speed.
Tractors? Not sure, but looking around my farming "neighborhood" the tractors are about like a truck. Lots of short use easy to moderate work and a few hours of real hard work now and again.
As long as the oil meets the appropriate specification, or exceeds it, there is no real loss of protection. The standard are minimum standards and most oils exceede them by a LARGE margin, but that margin is different from brand to brand and often within brands of different weights.
Having worked with dozens of dealers from automtive, truck and equipment I can assure everyone that in *most* cases the oil they use is BULK and not from the nameplate manufacturer. Back years ago, where I grew up Pennzoil was the predominant oil used by the automotive houses, from AMC to Mercedes all the oil was the same brand, unless it came over the parts counter at the retail level. Same for the truck and equipment dealers, just a different brand for those (Mobil).
If you use a name brand product, you don't *really* have anything to be concerend about, not at all. If the lube meets the OEM spec and most will.
To my way of thinking, telling a customer they have to use OEM fluids and filters (or implying that they really should) is an utter dis-service to the brand, dealer and most importantly the customer. The equipment is better served by frequent attention and budget fluids than infrequent attention and "premium" products from my 25 years of tearing stuff apart.
In broad strokes, what you say has some truth. We North Americans sweat every detail on these new tractors, it's part of the sickness!!
But joking aside, during the warranty period, most simply won't risk using a non OEM oil filter or HST fluid or HST filter. We just won't risk it.
R_Walter
Gold Member
Ever hear of Magnuson-Moss?
bp fick
Super Member
Yup. Not only heard of it, have read it, completely. Speed read. Just a little skill picked up in grad school.
Doesn't change this scenario.
The OEM cannot force me to use their filters. But if I use a non OEM filter, during warranty, and that filter collapses, they won't warranty my engine. Flat out. Good luck trying to fight some company, with my funds, to get them to stand behind their filter and fix my engine.
If I use a OEM filter, and it collapses and trashes my engine? Guess what. The dealer and company fix my engine. It's just simple.
When the warranty is off, that's a different story.
Doesn't change this scenario.
The OEM cannot force me to use their filters. But if I use a non OEM filter, during warranty, and that filter collapses, they won't warranty my engine. Flat out. Good luck trying to fight some company, with my funds, to get them to stand behind their filter and fix my engine.
If I use a OEM filter, and it collapses and trashes my engine? Guess what. The dealer and company fix my engine. It's just simple.
When the warranty is off, that's a different story.
I will give you an example of why I will probable use the OEM brand even after warranty. I had family that had a Honda SUV that the transmission went out. The warranty was out by almost 12 months and a little over 15000 miles. The dealer contacted Honda and showed that they had the SUV serviced on schedule including transmission flushs. Honda covered 75% of the cost of the new transmission and because they were good customers the dealer covered the remaining labor but not the parts. All because they used OEM oils and service centers. I think after talking with him I will stick to the OEM parts and oils. No more hours than I will be putting on the tractor I will probably let the dealer do the work also. I found all this out after I started the tread.
jimmer2880
Platinum Member
I do now (I didn't before your post told me though). Thanks for clearing that up.
Funny thing is, my dealer tried to talke me out of using it, even though my manual doesn't even say it's ok to use UDT.
pdowling1
Silver Member
That same dealer (If he is just north of Hagerstown) tried to talk me out of using SUDT last month. Nice people, I think they are just trying to save us some money. I went for the SUDT, by the way. I had used the UDT equivalent from TSC last time. My BX2200 seemed to slip the transmission more than with SUDT, like when using the loader it would stall the wheels before they would spin. It seems better with the SUDT.
jimmer2880
Platinum Member
Yes, that's the same dealer. They seem to be good guys - we've bought a couple tractors from them over the years. Very responsive service desk guys who aren't afraid to open a book to help you out even if they aren't going to make a buck. They did cut me a break on the SUDT. What you are saying about SUDT/UDT is pretty-much what I experienced as well.