Egon
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!965?? that does not equate to the test of time does it?? 
Heck, its just a little over 40 years old!
Heck, its just a little over 40 years old! HST vs. Gear Drive
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Aww, c'mon guys, make up your mind as to which is best!! I have both gear drive tractors and hydro drive tractors. Whichever I'm on at the time is the best by far!
DK35vince
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Maybe some of the newer larger payloaders have hst. But I have never seen one.john_bud said:
I've been around or run a lot of differant front end loaders. Catipilar, Fiat Allis, Dresser, Volvo, John Deere, Halla, Atlas, Etc. None had hst. They all had torgue converter powershifts transmissions.
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DK hit the nail on the head...Exactly.. and the average user don't know the major differences between a torque converter machine, a straight valve/ hyd motor machine ( like many steel wheel rolers have ), power shift trannies ( really a gear tranny with hyd clutches ).. and plain gear drives.. that's the problem.. everyone throwing in their 2 cents.. but lots don't know the difference
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I primarily finish mow and HST is the way to go for that. An HST will out perform a gear tractor finish mowing everytime
A gear tractor is in it's element when working ground engagement implements. A gear tractor with draft control and turning brakes will out perform an HST plowing, disking and cultivating everytime
I used to think that Haying would be a tossup except everyone that I know that does bigtime haying uses gear tractors. This one elderly gentleman has his operation down pat so much that he knows to the minute how long it takes to cut each parsal of his 300 acres. He fusses at his SIL (my co-worker) if he takes a couple minutes more
Back when I was learning to drive, 3 on the tree was the common setup and we young-uns couldn't wait to change it over to a floor shift. But, sitting at long redlights with the old style (non hydraulic clutches) could get ones leg to shakeing in the big city. Once we discovered how to hop up the "powerglides", auto was the way to go.
Shift'n gears is great on nice windy country roads but they get old around town.....
Back to your regularly scheduled debate
A gear tractor is in it's element when working ground engagement implements. A gear tractor with draft control and turning brakes will out perform an HST plowing, disking and cultivating everytime
I used to think that Haying would be a tossup except everyone that I know that does bigtime haying uses gear tractors. This one elderly gentleman has his operation down pat so much that he knows to the minute how long it takes to cut each parsal of his 300 acres. He fusses at his SIL (my co-worker) if he takes a couple minutes more
Back when I was learning to drive, 3 on the tree was the common setup and we young-uns couldn't wait to change it over to a floor shift. But, sitting at long redlights with the old style (non hydraulic clutches) could get ones leg to shakeing in the big city. Once we discovered how to hop up the "powerglides", auto was the way to go.
Shift'n gears is great on nice windy country roads but they get old around town.....
Back to your regularly scheduled debate
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"major differences between a torque converter machine, a straight valve/ hyd motor machine ( like many steel wheel rolers have ), power shift trannies ( really a gear tranny with hyd clutches ).. and plain gear drives.. that's the problem.. everyone throwing in their 2 cents.. but lots don't know the difference "
true..but I'm sure what most are really talking about is a machine that you have to manually clutch vs not...even in your own example of someone burning up a clutch in 30 min....I doubt you were referring to a sequential gearbox with integral clutches TQ machine or any other form of non-maunual clutch (air/hydraulic/electric etc)
true..but I'm sure what most are really talking about is a machine that you have to manually clutch vs not...even in your own example of someone burning up a clutch in 30 min....I doubt you were referring to a sequential gearbox with integral clutches TQ machine or any other form of non-maunual clutch (air/hydraulic/electric etc)
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Still, big difference in the way an hst operates, and the way a torque converter machine operates, and the way a machine with hyd motors with a spool valve control operate.
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cbturf
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Well I can't stand it anymore I will throw my $.02 in as well. For me an HST or gear drive was a no brainer (which is very fortunate, because guess who has no brain) I use my B3030HSDC for lawn prep in my hydroseeding business. If you are running the Harley rake and hit some hard ground you can slow the machine instantly and keep the rake running full song to break up the ground. After the Harley Rake work I just spin her around and pick up the rocks and debris. If you are constantly back and forth or need to change speed constantly HST is the way to go!
