Hydraulic return line question.

[Wayne County Hose]

Hey, I just tease people with that. I realize that most of you guys look at convenience more than anything else. No biggie.

 

[john_bud]

Wayne, It's funny, but the local hose place for me has been cheaper than any of the parts stores that also do hose. As a plus, I get good hose and not some cheap sheep from china and it's assembled by a pro with experience.

jb

 

[gemini5362]

Hey, I just tease people with that. I realize that most of you guys look at convenience more than anything else. No biggie.

actually most of us look at price more than anything.

 

[3RRL]

Hey Wayne,
Do you have a website or could a guy order stuff from you online? Something to look at?
I order all my hydraulic stuff as it is, so if you have it, I would get it from you. No doubt you'd take care of us fellow TBN'ers.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

I do have a website, but there is not much to it yet. Wayne County Hose. It's still under construction, not much on it yet. Also no provisions for ordering on it. I either have or can get anything from the Eaton/Weatherhead catalog, and lots of other stuff. p.m. me or give me a call at my shop. 570-251-8888.

I didn't come here looking for business, just to get help with my old junk. I even took my shop # out of my signature. I know that most of the time, people need hoses right now and can't wait. But, feel free to give me a ring.

p.s. I can't match DHH prices as they sell for about my cost. But, I can blow them away in quality and technical support.

 

[3RRL]

I bookmarked your site.
I know you didn't come here for the business. I'm thinking a hydraulic dummy like me would benefit from your expertise. I've read your posts. It would help me a lot which would be worth it to me.
Maybe I could get a copy of that catalog?
Thanks...

 

[JSharp]

Oh my. Sorry, but I cringe when people tell me they go to an auto store for hydraulic hoses. Funny, nobody comes to me for auto parts.

Probably first thing you will be asked is, "What's this off of?" If there are no distinguishable markings left on the hose to identify it, they may cut it in half to identify it. Therefore, giving you the correct hose for your application. The hose may be $30, or it may be $130. But, you'll get the correct hose.

My son runs an auto parts store that sells hose and fittings plus does hose assmbly. A lot of the local farmers use them and have been happy enough vs. shopping at the local JD or CIH dealers. And he'll make one up for them at midnight if they need it, and they often do.

Me, I just go in the back and make my own, then bring it up front and throw it on the counter. He gives me good prices and no assembly charges

 

[Wayne County Hose]

My son runs an auto parts store that sells hose and fittings plus does hose assmbly. A lot of the local farmers use them and have been happy enough vs. shopping at the local JD or CIH dealers. And he'll make one up for them at midnight if they need it, and they often do.

Me, I just go in the back and make my own, then bring it up front and throw it on the counter. He gives me good prices and no assembly charges

Some auto stores do hoses and do a good job. Napa stores do hoses because they have to, it's in their store contract. Some of them see an opportunity and do a fantastic job, others see it as a nuisance and don't want to do it.

Some hose shops offer 24/7 hose service as me and my buddy do. I've done hoses for paving opoerations and snow plows at all times of the night and weekends. During snowstorms, I just spend the night in the shop. The plows pull uip front and blow the horn to wake me up. I open the big overhead door, they drive in, i change the hose for them and give them a cup of coffee. Only thing I ever ask is that they check the hose before they leave by plowing the driveway. Gets them everytime.

I love it when my competitors add on an assembly charge. Charging for assembly, in my opinion, is ridiculous. It's like the auto garage tacking on an extra charge because he had to use tools.

 

[JSharp]

Some auto stores do hoses and do a good job. Napa stores do hoses because they have to, it's in their store contract. Some of them see an opportunity and do a fantastic job, others see it as a nuisance and don't want to do it.

Some hose shops offer 24/7 hose service as me and my buddy do. I've done hoses for paving opoerations and snow plows at all times of the night and weekends. During snowstorms, I just spend the night in the shop. The plows pull uip front and blow the horn to wake me up. I open the big overhead door, they drive in, i change the hose for them and give them a cup of coffee. Only thing I ever ask is that they check the hose before they leave by plowing the driveway. Gets them everytime.

I love it when my competitors add on an assembly charge. Charging for assembly, in my opinion, is ridiculous. It's like the auto garage tacking on an extra charge because he had to use tools.

You're right, people buying the hose and fittings don't expect to be charged for the 10 minute job of putting a hose together and they shouldn't.

You'll do well if you service your customers as you say. Both the local Napa and my son's store make hoses but he's the only one that'll make one for you anytime.

It pays off in business during normal hours. People you get out of a bind don't soon forget you helped them...

 

[SkunkWerX]

I just checked Surplus Center: (Not taking away from Wayne, just an example of fair pricing)

1" Hose x 36" NPT Male 2-wire = $29 plus shipping.

Surplus Center Item Detail

Wayne, please get that website fully functional. I'm sure your business will increase. I'll bookmark, since you are in PA shipping is probably just a day or two to Maryland.

 

[Wayne County Hose]

I just checked Surplus Center: (Not taking away from Wayne, just an example of fair pricing)

1" Hose x 36" NPT Male 2-wire = $29 plus shipping.

Surplus Center Item Detail

Wayne, please get that website fully functional. I'm sure your business will increase. I'll bookmark, since you are in PA shipping is probably just a day or two to Maryland.

I called my webmaster yesterday and complained about the updates not being in yet.

There is no way I can compete with the internet houses on pricing. They pay phone jockeys from a temp agency $8 an hour and get inferior product from China and India. To make anything on the hose listed above, I would have to get $40 + shipping. Like I stated in another post, internet, Northern tool, and TSC stuff is manufactured and assembled in China or India. People complain about Chinese stuff, but when I sell better quality and more expensive, I get beat up on my price while quality is never mentioned. If I paid my help a bag of rice and 5 cents a day, I could compete.

It's funny, I'll get an excavating contractor in here telling me he can get stuff cheaper by mail order or at TSC. I just tell him go get it there. And by the way, when I need something done, I'll just hire a bunch of Mexicans because you charge too much. Then he gets mad and yells at me that there's no way they can do a better job than he can. Then I tell him that now he knows how I felt 2 minutes ago and thanks for making my point for me. Ugh....enough of my rant. I hate rainy Saturdays.

 

[Rara Avis]

I hate rainy Saturdays.

Nice rant by the way...

Anywhere in the country experiencing drought would love that weather...I guess it's all a matter of perspective...similar to your discussion with the excavating contractor...

In fact, that is the major problem that this country is experiencing right now...neither side can seem to see the other side's valid points...

Before I get blasted I don't say that either side has ALL of the answers, but each side seems to have pieces to the puzzle that would be solved more effectively if there was less partisan activities on both sides...

 

[gemini5362]

I called my webmaster yesterday and complained about the updates not being in yet.

There is no way I can compete with the internet houses on pricing. They pay phone jockeys from a temp agency $8 an hour and get inferior product from China and India. To make anything on the hose listed above, I would have to get $40 + shipping. Like I stated in another post, internet, Northern tool, and TSC stuff is manufactured and assembled in China or India. People complain about Chinese stuff, but when I sell better quality and more expensive, I get beat up on my price while quality is never mentioned. If I paid my help a bag of rice and 5 cents a day, I could compete.

It's funny, I'll get an excavating contractor in here telling me he can get stuff cheaper by mail order or at TSC. I just tell him go get it there. And by the way, when I need something done, I'll just hire a bunch of Mexicans because you charge too much. Then he gets mad and yells at me that there's no way they can do a better job than he can. Then I tell him that now he knows how I felt 2 minutes ago and thanks for making my point for me. Ugh....enough of my rant. I hate rainy Saturdays.

It has been my experience that any kind of contractor I get has a bunch of mexicans doing the work for him.

 

[JSharp]

It has been my experience that any kind of contractor I get has a bunch of mexicans doing the work for him.

You might be lucky and not know it. In this area they've mostly yet to discover cheap illegal labor. In turn, it's almost impossible to get a contractor to do anything that's not a blank checkbook time and materials job.

A $500 fixed price piece of minor work? Forget it. They won't even call you back.

We all end up forced to do about everything ourselves...

 

[rtdiggr]

I called my webmaster yesterday and complained about the updates not being in yet.

There is no way I can compete with the internet houses on pricing. They pay phone jockeys from a temp agency $8 an hour and get inferior product from China and India. To make anything on the hose listed above, I would have to get $40 + shipping. Like I stated in another post, internet, Northern tool, and TSC stuff is manufactured and assembled in China or India. People complain about Chinese stuff, but when I sell better quality and more expensive, I get beat up on my price while quality is never mentioned. If I paid my help a bag of rice and 5 cents a day, I could compete.

It's funny, I'll get an excavating contractor in here telling me he can get stuff cheaper by mail order or at TSC. I just tell him go get it there. And by the way, when I need something done, I'll just hire a bunch of Mexicans because you charge too much. Then he gets mad and yells at me that there's no way they can do a better job than he can. Then I tell him that now he knows how I felt 2 minutes ago and thanks for making my point for me. Ugh....enough of my rant. I hate rainy Saturdays.

Wayne I love the rant.....
BUT please tell me you drive a car from northamerica?

Shane

 

[Wayne County Hose]

My Ford Ranger was made in Minnesota.

Enjoy that old rant as there is a kinder gentler me here now. Jeez, I just read that and said, "Who is that idiot?" But, it is the truth.

 

[sandman2234]

I want to know what you were doing in Florida, and why you didn't tell me, lol!!
David from jax

 

[rtdiggr]

Your a good man Wayne, It's true about products, we all do it, most of us have been to a dollar store, and we know we need to spend our wisely. But there is a big line between quality, and usually no question about service.
Not to get into the policical thing but it is interesting of what we can import into our countries BUT we can't export to other countries hummmm.

Tks for the vehicle support Shane

 

[SPYDERLK]

My Ford Ranger was made in Minnesota.

Enjoy that old rant as there is a kinder gentler me here now. Jeez, I just read that and said, "Who is that idiot?" But, it is the truth.

Wayne, I believe I share the feelings of your rant. There is a lot of mail order and store shelf crap out there and the risk of trusting it is obvious once you get past naivete'. Sometimes - not infrequently - I run into products that surprise me with their value tho. This shows me the benefit of looking hard at what is available from all sources. My view is that a bias toward a specific supplier or product is based on experience, but not necessarily experimentation. You are safe with the known. Product costs are higher tho, and odds are that the marketplace offers substantially identical products at better value. You wont find them by always being safe. For instance, from my perhaps naive perception, I recently purchased, from Surplus Center, 2 each 10' and 4' 3/8" hoses with JIC8 fittings that I think are superior. I ordered hoses rated at 4kpsi. The hoses I got bear this descriptor: NHP-JONES A150 HYDRALITE II 3/8 INCH-6 (9.5mm) SAE100R16 W.P. 4500PSI FLAME RESISTANT, USMSHA NO. IC-2G-31C/2 MADE IN USA 3Q06. The 4" hoses were $14 and the 10' were $26. I may be wrong, but these have the appearance and feel of a superior product. It would be great to find out how they compare to a Gates or Parker 4Kpsi hose with the same type of connector. I guess I could join a string of different varieties and pump them up to 10K with my Porta Power and let them sit. It would be interesting.
I cant expect you to be be able to compete with the economy of scale of making a thousand of each size at a time. To me yould be the place down the street when I need it NOW - - or if I really need custom stuff to make it work. Those are worth a premium.
larry

 

[Wayne County Hose]

There is a minimum spec that all hoses must meet to be given a 100R classification. I believe the minimum is 500,000 cycles at max psi. Any hose you buy with a 100R spec will do that. Any hose I sell is tested to 1,000,000 cycles, double the standard. Do you need that? I don't know. Ask me the next time you blow a hose.

Everybody wants a less expensive product until it fails them or has too much lead. Then it's a cheap piece of junk. Just remember, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

I'm in my shop on a stormy Sunday afternoon. Just made and installed a 3/4" hose 12 feet long on a plow/salt truck. Yep, came in on a Sunday in my 2wd ranger in a snow and ice storm to do this. Snow melting, dripping all over me as I'm under this F-550 changing this hose. I haven't even had breakfast yet. Just came on here to wind down for a few minutes. Charged the guy normal price. If an internet, mail order, or big box store will give you this type of service, I bow down to them. Until then, I'm here in Pigsknuckle Pennsylvania trying to make ends meet.