hydraulics and attachments on Dong Feng tractors

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Tractor Nubi

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I recently purchased a DF 354 and have been assembling it...'funstration'. It started on the first turn of the key but I have no clue as to how to plumb the hydraulics for the LD250C loader and the LW 6 backhoe so they can be 'perminately' attached. The schematics and the pictures that I have found on the web leave a lot to the imagination. Does anyone out there have any pictures that are detailed or drawings of what plugs into what?
 
   / hydraulics and attachments on Dong Feng tractors #2  
Your going to have to post a bunch of pictures of what you have so that we can help you figure it out.

Do you have a dealer that supplied all your goodies that can help?

Usually the tractors have a Hydraulic Quick Connect from the pump. That quick disconnect (QD) gets seperated then plugs into the Front End Loader (FEL) Then the other end of the QD gets connected to the output of the FEL.

Many backhoes (BH) have their own pump that is attached to the PTO shaft. Some tractors have a place just above the PTO to attach a pump.

We will need to see pictures of all the hydraulic components to give specific advice.

CLICKHERE we can help.
 
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All the questions I have are imbedded in the pictures, the first image is 210, and the questions are in order. Sorry if the pictures are really big, I wanted to be sure you could see the details. Thank you for your time and patience.
TN

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   / hydraulics and attachments on Dong Feng tractors #4  
I will do the best I can -
Please let me say you have done a good job of supplying just about everything needed to get you going. Now whether or not you were supplied all the parts is another thing.

Question 1 on picture 1:
Is this under the seat - YES.

Pump "10" - yes that is your hydraulic pump attached to the engine with a rubber hose and a Quick Disconnect.

Item 7? (can't read it) is the existing quick connect - follow the arrow from "Pump 10" to the existing quick connect then to P on the FEL Valve.

"P" = Pump (pump10), "T" = Tank (under seat) P1 = "Power Beyond" (Google it)

I would strongly suggest you not hook up the Back Hoe for now – learn hydraulics first then attach it later.

Disclaimer - You MUST find out if your hoe has it's own hydraulic tank if it does you cannot hook it up as I am suggesting below it WILL NOT WORK!.
You will pump all the fluid out, the pump will fry and or you can blow stuff up and you could die!

P1 is the Output of your FEL valve and can go to the Hoe input. The Hoe output goes to (tractor hydraulic system - remember - is this under the seat ? from above)

"I do not know how to attach these ....." - Don't, you do not need them.

Picture # 2:

What is this for? - That knob usually controls the speed at which your Three Point hitch drops when you lower the lever real fast. CW = Slower CCW= Faster.

Item 25 - Is this the tube that "T" connects to? (TubeA) - I can't tell no description of it's function. - Sorry

Is this the tractor Hydraulic system # 6 - YES, YES, YES. (The Tank is underneath that.

Picture # 3:

Tube # 29 – comes from pump 10 then goes to P on FEL valve (from pump)

Then “T” (out to tank) from the FEL valve goes to tube # 29.

Picture # 24 – your FEL valve – I can be wrong but I REALLY think it’s labeled wrong.
Are you sure P1 is that bottom opening?

That fitting going straight up Looks to me like that’s the Power Beyond plug (P1)

The one just below that is for sure the “T” – to tank.
The one you say is labeled P1 (at the bottom) looks to me like it’s really the “P” (pressure from pump)

I think this is enough for now – Hopefully you can make some sense of it.

ALSO:

Do you have a dealer ?????????? or someone local who can help with hydraulics in person. Hydraulics can be really dangerous if you don’t know what your doing.
 
   / hydraulics and attachments on Dong Feng tractors #5  
Please fill out your profile - like where you live (city & state) someone close may be able to help.
 
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#6  
thank you very much for your input!
In response to some of your comments. As per the disclaimer I LOL as I feel you have a little of the Seuss in you. My Hoe has no tank. How do I know which is the inlet hose...there was no manual with it.

Item 25 is labeled as an outlet pipe.

Thank you for the help on the three point crank valve. It is labeled in Chinese.

The schematic for the FEL valve looks like the real thing but I will get it off tomorrow and double check. I thought there was a P1 next to the opening on the bottom. When I follow the lines back from the cylinders to the FEL valve they line up 1-2 for the bucket cylinders and 3-4 for the lifting cylinders (this is not like the schematic). 5-6 are not hooked up but I think that I can figure out which is push and which is pull from the other cylinders.

I have a dealer local but I didn't purchase from him. I have a heavy duty mechanic nearby and I can possibly ask him for help.

Thank you again!
tn
 
   / hydraulics and attachments on Dong Feng tractors #7  
Well Ill take a run at it. First off, you are probably missing some parts for the backhoe to work. I will explain more about that in a bit. Lets start with the easy stuff. The pipe you label as "A" is a hydraulic outlet. It is I believe designed to feed a single acting cylinder on a dump trailer. I say this as it originates from the valve block with the knob located in front of the seat. It sees the same pressure as the 3point hitch cylinder sees. That valve knob serves two purposes. 1. It controls the speed that a 3PH impliment is lowered. The more you turn it clockwise(screw it in) the slower the impliment lowers. 2. If you screw it all the way in, the 3PH will not go up or down and all the pressure/flow that would normally lift the 3PH will go to the fitting on the end of pipe "A" when you lift the 3PH raise lever. set this way, you could raise and lower a dump trailer with the 3PH lift/lower lever. In your last picture, the small rubber hose with banjo fittings on each end is a low pressure fuel line. The small diameter metal pipes are high pressure fuel lines that run from the injector pump to the injectors. OK, that is about it for the easy stuff, on to the more difficult.

In your very first picture, you show the FEL hydraulic schematic. At the bottom of the page, right above the label for pump 10, is a squared off "U" bracket that has 3 of the lines running upward from it labeled as "9 tractor fluid tank". Everything starts and ends at that resovoir. The middle line with the circle with triangle is the pump. From the pump, the line runs to the Quick Connect(QC) fittings. As you are currently connected, the line from the pump is running to "tractor hydraulic system 8" which is the 3PH and from there back to the resovoir, which is the case that surrounds the 3PH lift cylinder. In your picture of the loader control valve, I believe you are correct when you say P1 is at the bottom. I believe "P" is the fitting on the very top and "T" is the one comming out the side of the assembly with the letter "T" by it. In order to connect this FEL, you will need to do the following.
1. Separate the QC comming from the pump.
2. Select a half of a new QC fitting(from one of the 2 sets shown in your last picture) that will mate with the end on the line from the pump. connect this to a line that will reach to the "P" port on top of the control valve.
3. With the other half of the new QC pair used in step 3 attach it to a line that will reach from the "P1" port on the bottom of the control valve down to the QC half under the right floorboard.

Unfortunatly, the last step I am not exactly sure about as I don't see the required attach point in any of your pictures. The port labeled "T" needs to run unrestricted back to the resovoir(just like in the diagram). Port "T" is where the fluid goes when you overload the hydraulics in the loader and the safety relief valve in the loader opens(trying to lift too much or bottoming/fully extending the cylinders). Port "T" is the relief fluid path back to the resovoir. In your pics, I don't see where that is possible, but I am sure it is. One of the large hoses in your last picture has a banjo fitting on it and what looks like a bracket on the other threaded end. That could possibly be for a return line to the resovoir.

I mentioned that you may not have all you need to hook up the backhoe. what I should have said is you probably have what you need to hook it up, but the specs on the DF354 that I have read, show it to have a 33.6 Liter/min or 8.8 gallon/min hydraulic flow rate at 2400 RPM. That is a little low for a backhoe and you might not be real impressed with it's speed(it will still have the same power though). Most hoes have their own resovoir and pump that attaches to the PTO to provide a higher flow rate for greater digging speed as a lot of hydraulic operations are required for each bucket of dirt.

Jay, I just realized looking at your profile that you are not far from me. How far out of Victoria are you? I am right across the straight in Port Angeles. I would be willing to come help you sort it out if you could meet me at the ferry. If interested, you can contact me at r_marlett@msn.com.
 
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thank you for your help and your proximity may come in handy. I am looking at all the answers and feel that "pump 10" end of the hose connects to "P".
The other end of the QC is the return to the tank "T" and that the "Power Beyond P1" goes to tube A.
See page 25

http://www.bushhog.com/pdf-files/2346.pdf

Does this sound reasonable?
Jay
 
   / hydraulics and attachments on Dong Feng tractors #9  
Tractor Nubi said:
thank you for your help and your proximity may come in handy. I am looking at all the answers and feel that "pump 10" end of the hose connects to "P".
The other end of the QC is the return to the tank "T" and that the "Power Beyond P1" goes to tube A.
See page 25

http://www.bushhog.com/pdf-files/2346.pdf

Does this sound reasonable?
Jay

Some of it does:
Yes, the pump outlet(high pressure supply) should go to "P" on the FEL valve.

NO, the other end of the QC under the right floor board does NOT go to the sump. You even show it in one of your pictures. From that QC, it goes to a hard line that is plummed into the 3PH lift/lower control valve(the rear portion of your tractor hydraulic system) under the right side of the seat. That line is the high pressure supply to the 3PH. When you lift an impliment on the 3PH, that line and everything attached to it all the way back to the pump outlet goes under high(2000+ PSI) pressure. "P1" is the high pressure outlet on your valve and needs to be connected to the rest of your hydraulic system(3PH) like the first drawing in your previous post indicates, and the way your system is currently plummed.
"T" needs a low pressure unrestricted path back to the sump. If you connect the "T"port to the rest of the hydraulic system, you will do damage to the FEL valve(most likley the O-rings on the ends of the valve spools) when you start lifting a heavy impliment on the 3PH and pressurizing that "T" port.

NO, I would bet money that the tube that YOU called "A" back on the 3PH is a hydraulic port to drive a single acting cylinder because of where it is attached. It is not an inlet! A single acting cylinder only has a single hose attached. It uses hydraulic pressure to raise and the weight of the structure lifted by the cylinder to lower. The 3PH cylinder is a single acting cylinder. Pipe "A" is attached to the front body of the 3PH lift cylinder. The only pressure seen there is provided by the 3PH control valve when in the raise position or that caused by the weight on the system from holding a heavy impliment in the air. That pipe "A" does see a path back to the sump when the 3PH control is in the lower position to allow fluid to return from a single acting cylinder as it lowers, the same way fluid returns from the 3PH cylinder when it lowers. I have the same pipe you called "A" on my Jinma from that front block on the end of the 3PH cylinder except mine came with a female QC on the end where yours is capped. I have a pressure gauge on a male QC connected to it to monitor system pressure when lifting a heavy impliment such as my brushhog. I also used it to properly set the relief valve in the 3PH control valve. By closing that knob all the way and moving the 3PH lever to "LIFT", system pressure builds on this line untill the relief on the 3PH control valve opens and dumps fluid back to the resovoir. A gauge attached there will show the pressure at which that happens.

On that page 25 hydraulic drawing you referenced in your last post, the ABC down in the lower left corner would equate to the very first drawing you posted as follows:
A(on that drawing) is the high pressure supply from the pump.
B is the high pressure outlet(power beyond) from the FEL valve that feeds the 3PH
C is the low pressure return from port "T" to the sump.

You have the first two, what you havn't shown in any of your pics is the low pressure return from the FEL valve to the sump.
 
   / hydraulics and attachments on Dong Feng tractors #10  
Jay,

You are in good hands with Ron. He has made an offer I would not refuse.

Ron,

I think that port on the FEL valve going straight up is the Power Beyond output port. I say this because it is removable and they are most always located very near the T output. The P going into a valve is always hard threaded in the body of the valve.
Please check that out.

Larry
 

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