Hydro or gear drive on a CK30??

KiotiJohn · Jul 20, 2004

( By the way, no one mentioned the complexity of the Hydrostatic and the life expectancy of the hst over the gear. If you ever seen a hst tore down you would never buy one.
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Maybe no one mentioned it on this thread, but it's been mentioned and mentioned and mentioned and mentioned, and nobody yet has really given defintive proof of anything. Yes, you're a dealer, but there will be plenty of people to tell you how wrong you are, and there are hundreds, no, thousands of machines out there with HST with thousands of hours on them, and they're still going strong. Clutches installed can cost $3,000 too, so should we all not by gear tractors? John

DK35vince · Jul 20, 2004

( Clutches installed can cost $3,000 too, so should we all not by gear tractors? John )

I can install my own clutch for $500 or less.
That includes clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing, pilot bearing and machining the flywheel if nessasary.
( I have nothing against hydro, I like them also)

KiotiJohn · Jul 20, 2004

( I can install my own clutch for $500 or less. )
Yes, Vince, you and I both can do those things, but I just read a post where someone said they paid $3,000 to install a new clutch. You know the point is, that they both cost when there are problems, and I've sure heard more about clutches going than HSTs going. I want a synchro shuttle to go WITH my HST. John

Kodiak_Dave · Jul 21, 2004

Hi Guys
If I were using a KB2375 backhoe and was trenching, can I pull or push my machine up and down the trenchline with the hoe? If I can, could I do the same thing with a HST. I hear that when you take your foot off the hst it kind of acts like a brake. Does it have a nuetral position for dragging the machine with the hoe? Can you reach the loader control from the backhoe seat? Lets use a CK20 or 25 for our question
Thanks for the help
Dave

SteveH_CT · Jul 21, 2004

I can't speak for the Kioti owners - but I think they work in a similar fashion. Yes, when I'm using my BH I can pull myself along without going to the hydro pedal. Taking my foot off the Go Pedal results in stoppage. But once stopped I'm not aware of any signifigant braking effect. If I need to keep it in place on an incline/decline I always use the emergency brake to hold it... it will creep forward on it's own from gravity.

KiotiJohn · Jul 21, 2004

I can use my CK20 that way as there is no real holding power of the HST. I CAN raise the loader up from the BH seat, but it's a stretch. I don't know on the larger frame CK25. Since I have pretty easy sandy dirt to dig in for the most part, I could even just set the stabilizers down only, leaving the loader up and the brake off, but I don't usually. It only takes me a little time to get back and forth to release the brake and raise the loader and move the tractor. If I were trenching, which I haven't been doing, I might do it the other way, and move it with the BH. I have done it a couple of times with no problem. I just put the bucket down and use the bucket and dipper stick to push it back. I know on some larger BHs, the operators even move them side to side, but I don't think these smaller BHs should be subjected to those stresses, so I only do forward/back. BTW, there is a neutral setting on the Range lever. John

glsweet · Jul 21, 2004

Clutches installed can cost $3,000 too, so should we all not by gear tractors? If it cost $3000 to get a clutch put in a small Kioti Tractor, then I need to go up on my labor rates!

KiotiJohn · Jul 21, 2004

( Clutches installed can cost $3,000 too, so should we all not by gear tractors? If it cost $3000 to get a clutch put in a small Kioti Tractor, then I need to go up on my labor rates!)
Maybe you missed my point. It costs a lot of money to repair either system for those who can not do it themselves. The $3000 price was something I had read in a post from a TBN member about how much it had cost to replace his clutch. Going by your statement about an O ring in HST that can cost hundreds of dollars to repair and that we probably wouldn't buy an HST because of it, then it stands to reason that we shouldn't buy gears either. You can't have it both ways.