hydrostat vs. gears??

   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #51  
<font color="red"> No more real work and no more hours than most on here puts on a tractor in a year, a rubber band should hold up for at least ten years.
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You are exactly right and that is the exact reason why you always see this thread slanted towards the hydro. I only know of a couple people here who have worked a hydro hard enough to really give an opinion as to it's worth.
 
   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #52  
It is really hard to put PTO hours on a loader tractor to begin with, so hydro's forte will not see huge hours on the meter.

It easy to do this in an ag tractor dragging a plow at PTO speed all day or running a baler etc.

I know the IH 584 (6000+ hours) we use has seen lots of loader work and due to that has had 3 or 4 clutches in and needs new synchros and a few new bearings in the tranny. Now a friends TW-25 has 6000 hours of plowing only and is like new except he blew the motor this spring.

Different work, different wear.
 
   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #53  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Was that 1,000 hours on a tach or a digital meter )</font>

Not my tractor.. so I don't know.

On all mine.. the hours are hours at pto speed from a cable driven tach.

Soundguy
 
   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #54  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Don't see many farmers with a 60 year old tractor as their main power source )</font>

Probably depends on where you live. I live in n. central florida.. horse country.. still see farms with hundred acer plots, and dozens of smaller farms with 5-10-20 acer plots. Again.. not uncommon to see goats, pigs, chickens, or cows walking a fencline on a side road that have found their way thru a hole in a fence.

In the 3 roads it takes me to drive to work on, I can see horses, pigs chickens, and goats If I look thru a fence. One of those roads is US 441.. straight thru fl.. the old truck route.

Also on those 3 roads, I regularly see two farmers mowing their side by side farms.. one has a ford 5000, the other a 4000. Hit the next road, and there are two gentlemen with naa or hundred series fords on their 10 ac farms. Across from my office there is a landscaper that uses a ford 3000 with front end loader as his main machine... down the road, the hardware store has a nice 640 that it mows around the store with. The farmer across from that where I bought my turkies from has a ford 5000 to mow his 130 ac. Move closer into town, and there are 2 fellows one with a fergy 35, and the other with a 651?.. of which I've tried to by both at one time or another. The car lot on the way out of belleview mows grass with a a/c 'G'.. neat machine.

At our local seminol feed store it is very common to see an old farmall h or M parked running in the parking lot with a mower attatched.. dripping gas and oil, waiting for the farmer to come out with a bag of feed or two, to load onthe mower deck and ride home. Down past the store by the railroad tracks a fellow mows his used car lot with an old massey-harris. Further down that road a fellow uses an old ford with a belly mower to mow his junkyard/welding shop.

Back in town a bit on 441.. still on the north side.. between belleview and ocala, there is a garage that makes small portable buildings. They just sold their H farmall and belly mower for a ztr... and across from them is a fellow that has an old IH diesel with a cab, a ford 3000, and some newer 60's era cub. i think only one of those is used to maintain his shopyard though.. the others may be for sale.

Those aren't made up. Those are people I've stopped and seen and conversed with on a daily basis.. all within the small towns of belleview, pedro, and summerfield. I don't see any old trike JD's.. but the local sod company does have an older larger 70's model jd. You see lots of new cut kubotaswith fel on trailers running around the county.. contractors or lanscapers.. etc.

Like I said.. depends on your region... in my area.. it is MOSTLY old tractors.. in fact.. our local TSC store pretty much only carries stuff for the oldies... I havn't notices any real parts other than seats for anything from the 80's and up..

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Seems to me the best tractors of their time aren't around after a certain amount of time as they have been worked to death. )</font>

Heck.. a ford can go from worked to death to working with about 1000$ in parts and lots of sweat.. that includes complete engine overhaul, clutch and pressureplate, and tranny input seal, hyds and brake rebuild. If you coun't the jap grey market dealers.. we have more used tractor dealers in my county than new tractor dealers.

Soundguy
 
   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #55  
Slow,
My tractor I mentioned above with all the hours was always a loader tractor. It was purchased from the Army Corp of Engineers years ago, and was used by them to clean out spillways, etc. Not sure the bucket has ever been off of it. Useage does have an impact but so does quality and heavy iron, not aluminum and plastic.
 
   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #56  
Yes; It would definetly seem I come from a different type of farming area. The tractors you mentioned were wore out many years ago unless they sat idle for most of their life. Fords were not very popular. The H and M were popular. WD6, WD9, the JD's, Case and smaller AC tractors were popular.

A friend that retired several years ago had a WD9 sitting in his shop that had probably not been run for over twenty years. Chances are he had no implements it could pull.

Egon
 
   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #57  
Sound guy, to be picky sounds like most of those are 35 year old machines /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

A neighbour uses Ford 3000 and 5000 to farm with. His 5000 has no power steering in one direction and he can't get parts to fix it. His 3000 has no gauges left on it cause ya can't get replacements.

Of course another neighbour has a Massey Pony to cultivate his strawberry patch, it's been converted to 12 V and runs well sometimes /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Nothing broken because it has no features to speak of. Needless to say they don't like using it, it isn't user friendly.
 
   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #58  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Sound guy, to be picky sounds like most of those are 35 year old machines )</font>

The ford 3000/5000 would be.. but the mhp, hundred series ford, and farmall tractors should be in the 45+ range..

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( His 5000 has no power steering in one direction and he can't get parts to fix it )</font>

He's not looking / or not looking in the right place. I just did extensive research on ford 5000's a couple months ago, as I almost got one. Salvage yards are full of 5000's.. especially ones with bad SOS trannies. It is very possible that a pow steering setup of a fordson power major will work. Also.. there are places that do custom power steering.. especially for fords.. like jackson power steering. Past that.. a good machinest should be able to duplicate just about any metal part that has ever been made...

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( His 3000 has no gauges left on it cause ya can't get replacements. )</font>

Ok.. I know he's really not looking now. I just calle dmy local nH dealership... they asked me if I wanted to pick them up or have them shipped... ( not proof meter ). Even if the non-oem ones weren't available.. any old 9.99 sunpro ampmeter would show charge.. and any manual temp gauge threaded into the block or head port will show temp. That leaves the proofmeter which may be the only hangup. Still.. even if it is one of the lucas setups.. there are alternatives to that.. including electric hourmeters.. and inductive/pulsed pickups.. for both gas and diesel jobs.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( it's been converted to 12 V and runs well sometimes )</font>
Sounds like this guy isn't into maintenance.. or repairs.. but instead likes to complain about broke tractors that he won't fix...

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Nothing broken because it has no features to speak of )</font>

Like the IH cub.. the MHP is a super simple tractor.. only a few operator controlls.. What features is this guy looking for? A self diagnostic screen, and a little mechanic to pop out of the side of the tractor and fix it when it brakes because the operator won't lift a hand to do it?

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Needless to say they don't like using it, it isn't user friendly )</font>

See above reply.

Boy.. I really hope this post was a joke... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Soundguy
 
   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #59  
Sorry, sort of a joke /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif The cub is a hmm, well 4th or 5th tractor on the farm, sort of a toy. It isn't it's fault but the gas motor needs more tinkering than a diesel.

The ford 3000/5000 aren't so common up here, and we don't have tractor scrap yards? Some dealers have a few parts tractors but not a wide selection. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

The point of the broken gauges and PS is he's a farmer and the parts aren't available at the local dealer. The tractors still work so he can't be bothered to chase them down 1/2 way across the country.

I should add I view this as positive about the old fords, I'm not keen on chasing down computers for a cummins diesel truck or JD hydro brain in 30 years because without it the equipment is junk.
 
   / hydrostat vs. gears?? #60  
Ok.. makes more sense now.

As for the parts yards.. I only know of two of them in florida.. wish there were more.

I found a local auction that has lots of salvaged tractors.. and there are a couple mechanics with lots of junkers in their back lot.

Wengersa of PA is a good parts source..

Soundguy
 

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