I Finally Replaced The PT Built Muffler

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SnowRidge

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About a month ago, I finally bit the bullet and bought a new Kohler muffler to replace the PT built job that came with the PT-425. I chose the same OEM kind MR's machine came with--a rear discharge model with heat shield and mounting kit. With delivery it was just under $100.

I have never really understood the rational for the PT designed and built air cooled muffler that came on some of the Kohler equipped machines, and may come on the current Robin powered models for all I know. For those reading this who are not familiar with the muffler, it is a rectangular, boxy thing. Like most everything PT built, it is a massive, heavy plate steel weldment. In addition to the usual exhaust input and output tubes, there is an air intake tube.

The intake and output tubes are coaxial, with the intake as the inner tube. A venturi effect sucks fresh air into the left side of the muffler and mixes it with the hot exhaust gasses resulting in a reduced temperature exhaust which exits on the right side of the machine.

According to what I have read, this was done to lower the engine compartment temperatures, but I don't see how that could work since the exhaust gasses are blasted directly out the right side through the cover mesh.

The muffler itself certainly isn't cool. It easily gets hot enough to catch dry grass on fire.

I have been concerned for some time that the Power Trac built muffler had back pressure problems, resulting in the engine running hotter than it otherwise would. Originally, I was going to rig a setup to measure the back pressure and see if it was within limits or not, but I never got around to it, and with the summer heat rapidly approaching, I decided not to risk taking the time to do it.

After running the machine for a month with the new muffler, here is what I have found.

1. It's slightly noisier with a bit sharper tone. I actually prefer it, since I can sense the engine RPM better through the shooting muffs I wear when mowing. It is certainly not objectionably loud.

2. Power seems to have improved slightly, but only slightly. I am a little puzzled by this, considering the other results.

3. Fuel consumption has dropped dramatically. One particular regular mowing job used to take about 4/5 of a tank. It has dropped to a consistent 2/3 of a tank, roughly a 20% improvement.

4. Run-on is no more. Before, no matter what throttle setting we used, we got significant run-on at shut down, unless we let it idle for at least 30 seconds. Even then, we often got it, especially on a hot day. Now we get none, even if we just shut down immediately. Yesterday I mowed for three straight hours in 96 degree temperatures and still go no run-on at shut down.

5. The under the hood temperature seems no higher, and the battery isn't any hotter than before.

6. The hydraulic cooler air flow isn't any hotter, but the flow seems to have a little more volume. Perhaps this is due to the round muffler disrupting the air flow less than the boxy PT muffler.

The attached photo shows the manifold openings of the two mufflers. The PT muffler is on the left. You can see that the Kohler muffler has larger, smoother openings. The PT muffler is under sized, apparently to use a standard pipe size.

It's a little hard to tell in the photo, but the PT muffler's welding is sloppy and the pipe isn't centered in the flange properly.

The output end of the PT muffler has problems, too. See my next post.
 

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The attached photo is looking into the exhaust pipe. The bright spot in the center is the intake air opening. The exhaust gasses are forced through the ring opening comprised of the outside of the air intake pipe and the inside of the exhaust pipe.

Note that it is really quite a small opening. Also note that the muffler was welded up with the inner pipe not quite concentric to the outer pipe, as it should have been. Sadly, whomever built it did not bother to clean up the pipe cut. You can see a large bit of flash left over from the cut in the upper left hand corner. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

There is also some sort of detritus lodged between the walls of the two pipes. There is also some carbon build up that doesn't show in the photo. All of this has led to an opening that is more restricted than the designer probably intended.

Some day, when I get the time, I will probably take a torch to the muffler to see what the rest of the guts look like. I may see if I can modify it to lower the back pressure. I think that will require replacing the manifold pipes with a pair of the right size and smooth shape. Fortunately they are available from Kohler--for a price of course.
 

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I never understood why they switched the muffler from the Kohler design on our model to their design, either. The Kohler muffler was made for the machine and seems to function well. The heat shield does a good job, and so on. I like the exhaust exiting out the rear, too. I do not like that it has to go through the cage, though. I wonder why they didn't cut a round hole in the cage and weld a large steel ring there where the exhaust exits.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I like the exhaust exiting out the rear, too. I do not like that it has to go through the cage, though. I wonder why they didn't cut a round hole in the cage and weld a large steel ring there where the exhaust exits. )</font>

I've had a slightly different thought on the muffler routing. I wonder if you could get two 90-degree elbows and route the exhaust out one of the existing oval-shaped cutouts in the back of the PT frame. With my experience on other tractors/engines, just adding a few inches of tailpipe would quieten it down quite a bit...
 
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Moss, that is exactly what I wanted to do. From the factory, the Kohler muffler's tailpipe is a little too long. I trimmed about an inch off of mine. It would have looked much cooler sticking out its own little dedicated cover hole.

I thought about welding a ring on and cutting away the mesh, but I didn't have a ring handy, I don't like welding that close to vulnerable parts, I'm still an amateur weldor, and I didn't have time to take the necessary items off, so that I could remove the cover.

In other words, I took the easy way out. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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<font color="blue"> (I've had a slightly different thought on the muffler routing. I wonder if you could get two 90-degree elbows and route the exhaust out one of the existing oval-shaped cutouts in the back of the PT frame. With my experience on other tractors/engines, just adding a few inches of tailpipe would quieten it down quite a bit...) </font>

Without looking, I can't think of any reason that wouldn't work, although it would add a little bit more heat to an already hot engine compartment. I don't think the Kohler muffler is in any sense a 'tuned' muffler, so I don't think there would be any resonance issues.
 
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90 degree bends hold heat. Long sweeps hold less. Straight stub holds even less. Besides, I'm saving one of the ovals for a tail light some day.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">(

Without looking, I can't think of any reason that wouldn't work, although it would add a little bit more heat to an already hot engine compartment. I don't think the Kohler muffler is in any sense a 'tuned' muffler, so I don't think there would be any resonance issues. )</font>

Probably so, but I think that trying to shoot the exhaust through the existing metal grill-work like it does that it's disrupting the exhaust flow and dispersing some of that heat around inside the engine compartment anyway...
 
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I just was out in the shop, so I looked at possible routing. On my machine, the only feasible place to route it is out the opening by the battery due to hydraulic plumbing elsewhere.

I wouldn't care for a hot exhaust pipe that close to the battery, myself. The option I prefer is a hole directly in the rear cage.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I just was out in the shop, so I looked at possible routing. On my machine, the only feasible place to route it is out the opening by the battery due to hydraulic plumbing elsewhere.

I wouldn't care for a hot exhaust pipe that close to the battery, myself. The option I prefer is a hole directly in the rear cage. )</font>

With a couple of 90-degree hydraulic fittings on the left side of the pump, you could move those two hoses down and out of the way. Note that the hoses on the opposite side of the pump come up from the bottom anyway...
 

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