I guess we ain't that kind of farmer.

[MossRoad]

Here's something for you to chew on...

I know many people that own their own businesses. They started young, enjoy and believe in the product they produce (be it a physical product, a service product, etc..) and decided to get their own business. If the business grows and is successful, eventually management duties get larger and larger. Someone has to manage it. You can either hire a manager and keep doing the work that you love, or you can manage it yourself and you'll end up going hands-off the work that you love. For someone to say that a farmer that manages the business and pays people to do the physical labor and never gets into the field themselves isn't a farmer, well, that's just not true. Large businesses require managers and labor. Its still a business, and the business is farming.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

In the original post.....it mentions this guy wants to have a 40 hr. job in the public sector and still work the farm.......shouldn't be a problem.....many public sector employees get paid for 40 hrs. but only work half or less of those hours.......his public sector job won't wear him out......he'll be plenty rested when he gets home to work the farm and have money to boot! LOL!

JB, I spent 18 years in the public sector, and I never put in less that 40 hours a week, sometimes a lot more. Comp time was there, but I didn't always take it. I loved my job, worked hard and had a lot of professional freedom. I am well aware that there are those who have obtained their jobs through political influence, and who have abused the system. It's not perfect, but it's getting better. I acknowledge the word "many", but I have to say that there are "many" public employees who are devoted and work their assigned hours and more.

 

[jerrybob]

I'm glad to see in Washington that your government allows their employees to only work half the time that there actually paid for. I on the other hand put my life on the line every day for much more time than I am fairly compensated for. But I can see how you would find that humorous......:thumbdown:

I am glad you work for a living and I respect the fact that you put your life on the line....seriously. With that said.....we all know that many government jobs lack accountability and there is a lot of waste. This happens at the local, state and federal levels.......there is tremendous waste in government.

 

[jerrybob]

JB, I spent 18 years in the public sector, and I never put in less that 40 hours a week, sometimes a lot more. Comp time was there, but I didn't always take it. I loved my job, worked hard and had a lot of professional freedom. I am well aware that there are those who have obtained their jobs through political influence, and who have abused the system. It's not perfect, but it's getting better. I acknowledge the word "many", but I have to say that there are "many" public employees who are devoted and work their assigned hours and more.

I agree....there are many public employees who are devoted and do great work.....I believe you were one of them. I don't agree it is getting better......the waste in government at all levels is shameful. There is a lack of accountability. I know a local guy trying to get on with the county...why....he told me "cause they don't work that hard and you never get fired." He's absolutely correct. Show me a city, county, state or federal worker with defined performance objectives. Show me one that was fired for not meeting performance objectives.......they are few and far between. I appreciate hard work and believe it should be rewarded. My daughter is a really good school teacher and deserves higher pay than the teacher next door that has tenure.....does not prepare lesson plans.....is out the door when the bell rings and is not devoted to her students. She has at least 10 more years before retirement and she will never be held accountable.....her job is protected! To me.....that's bull! I appreciate you standing up for the good workers........but...we both know there are a lot of slackers in government as well.

 

[BigCountry1689]

Well at least none of that is prevalent in the corporate world..........

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[jerrybob]

Well at least none of that is prevalent in the corporate world..........

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Actually it is.....just more get fired because some companies hold people responsible for their actions and results.....you can tell those companies by their stock price......it is higher than the companies that are run like government entities.

 

[WoodChuckDad]

Here's something for you to chew on...

I know many people that own their own businesses. They started young, enjoy and believe in the product they produce (be it a physical product, a service product, etc..) and decided to get their own business. If the business grows and is successful, eventually management duties get larger and larger. Someone has to manage it. You can either hire a manager and keep doing the work that you love, or you can manage it yourself and you'll end up going hands-off the work that you love. For someone to say that a farmer that manages the business and pays people to do the physical labor and never gets into the field themselves isn't a farmer, well, that's just not true. Large businesses require managers and labor. Its still a business, and the business is farming.

I agree with you. I would guess that a fair amount of food produced in this country comes from corporate farms that have multiple layers of management. There are may people involved who I would consider farmers who probably never get their hands dirty. But I would think it takes 1000's of acres, or even 10's or 1000's of acres to reach that point.

 

[WoodChuckDad]

As for the comments on public sector folks not working. I have seen sloth in both govt an public sector jobs. I can tell you that in our state govt there are many people who work long hours and are constantly worried about being let go. I was a contractor who came in and replaced some of the people who's jobs were eliminated at the state level. Some were good, some were dead weight. But I've seen that very same thing in public sector jobs. Ask any one who own's a business and has to hire people. It is really hard to find good, qualified people who are willing to work.

 

[smstonypoint]

Some data on farm family labor from the USDA at USDA ERS -
Family Farming in the United States

Steve

 

[jerrybob]

As for the comments on public sector folks not working. I have seen sloth in both govt an public sector jobs. I can tell you that in our state govt there are many people who work long hours and are constantly worried about being let go. I was a contractor who came in and replaced some of the people who's jobs were eliminated at the state level. Some were good, some were dead weight. But I've seen that very same thing in public sector jobs. Ask any one who own's a business and has to hire people. It is really hard to find good, qualified people who are willing to work.

I agree......dead weight in both sectors but in my experience......there are significantly more in the public sector because it is so hard to fire them. Most are union......that's part of the problem as well but that opens up a another can of worms.