I love electric vehicles. But increasingly I feel duped

[redman135]

My big beef with the EV drum beating is when I ask
1)where is the power coming from?
2) How is it getting to the consumer?
3)How big an UPGRADE is required and how long?

Last winter there were rolling blackouts due to a very cold calm clear night, so RENEWABLES are PROVED unreliable with out fosssil backup.

Wind farms are almost always a long way from the consumer. (People don't want big new power lines near them.)

Currently the national grid(transmission) (New Zealand) can NOT handle the projected load AND the substations are also inadequate.
Any hard (numbers and time lines) questions are met with slogans and bulls**t.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Basically todays EVs are currently making the environment worse.

Now I feel virtuous for driving a CRV .

 

[NoTrespassing]

Basically todays EVs are currently making the environment worse.

Now I feel virtuous for driving a CRV .

Like when doctors used to say smoking cigarettes was healthy?

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Like when doctors used to say smoking cigarettes was healthy?

And masks protected you from a Chinese virus

 

[Fixastuff]

Am I the only one who can admit they don't actually have a clue of the difference in environmental impact of a ice vs ev vehicle?

To truly know this seems like it would take a full time job/life dedication.

You'd have to research the machines that make the drilling components, the process of drilling, the machines that make the mining machines, the mining process(for both ev and ice materials), oil production/disposal of engine oil, gear box fluid, coolant, brake fluid, magnets, copper wires, computer chips, disposal of batteries, people driving to and from the factories to work, etc, etc, the list just keeps going and going.


I see many feelings in this thread but I think that's just it, anyone who says they understand all of this and work a job doing something else is full of it. In my opinion.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that keeping an older vehicle working would be better than buying a new one no matter how much more efficient it is, but I also admit that just a feeling and I haven't done the research to back that up with hard facts.

 

[oldtimer 66]

Here is a real fact that everyone overlooks. "Al Gore invented the internet and global warming" TaDa!

 

[Fixastuff]

Here is a real fact that everyone overlooks. "Al Gore invented the internet and global warming" TaDa!

I'm not a fan of the dude but he does know how to lose.

 

[Snobdds]

Am I the only one who can admit they don't actually have a clue of the difference in environmental impact of a ice vs ev vehicle?

To truly know this seems like it would take a full time job/life dedication.

You'd have to research the machines that make the drilling components, the process of drilling, the machines that make the mining machines, the mining process(for both ev and ice materials), oil production/disposal of engine oil, gear box fluid, coolant, brake fluid, magnets, copper wires, computer chips, disposal of batteries, people driving to and from the factories to work, etc, etc, the list just keeps going and going.


I see many feelings in this thread but I think that's just it, anyone who says they understand all of this and work a job doing something else is full of it. In my opinion.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that keeping an older vehicle working would be better than buying a new one no matter how much more efficient it is, but I also admit that just a feeling and I haven't done the research to back that up with hard facts.

I have no way to prove water is wet...but I am pretty confident in that fact.

 

[Fixastuff]

I have no way to prove water is wet...but I am pretty confident in that fact.

Lol. I can touch water, can't you? What is your estimate of pollution in the entire ice process vs entire ev process? Ev twice as bad, three times or you just know they're worse and that's enough?

 

[Snobdds]

Lol. I can touch water, can't you? What is your estimate of pollution in the entire ice process vs entire ev process? Ev twice as bad, three times or you just know they're worse and that's enough?

Let me explain it this way...

100 years ago when oil was found and they started to process, store it, and use it; it was a very dirty process. Today most of the oil and subsequent use has been streamlined and very efficient. Efficiency usually brings cleanliness.

Today we have to get batteries from Lithium and Cobalt. Those process are just like oil's beginnings, it's a very dirty process. With Lithium, it's not like drilling, it's major mining and settling ponds. Now it will get better, but it took decades for oil to make that happen.

So we don't have to drill down into any process to figure out which one is cleaner today.