I was considering an LS tractor package until.......

[Tennsawdust]

Pretty much the opposite. I've been trying to figure out why people that don't have them and have never even seen them are attacking them based on one disgruntled person's taped opinions. A few have posted details about what he said and why they do or don't agree. Others have just ranted.

I don't even watch commercial, professional TV anymore, so why would I watch amateur TV? I prefer printed words that can be read, referred back to and quoted.

We've seen a few threads about LS engine issues. At least one case seems to be operator error or misunderstanding. Some are still unresolved and we don't know what happened. We've also seen threads on orange and green problems, some of which turned out to be bad dealer practices.

Whether or not this guy has a bad machine, bad dealer, or just doesn't understand the machine and how it operates doesn't seem to have been determined by those who have watched it.

It is hard to say what the issues really are there, but one thing is for sure: putting around on a DPF equipped tractor is not a good practice. You have to run it at high enough RPM to generate some heat in the exhaust system. The engines are designed with this in mind. You will not hurt it by running it in the proper RPM range. Throw the coal to it. It likes it!

 

[George2615]

As mentioned, with all brands you will find some that have problems. The same problems are found in the automotive industry. My XR3037HC turned 5 years old last month. Other than a mirror replacement I've had no problems with mine. The early model mirrors have an opening at the top which allows water to get in between the mirror back and plastic housing. The water froze in winter and pushed the mirror out. Newer models and replacement mirrors now come with a drain hole in the bottom. I think it is a quality built tractor. I watched some of the vids and agree that some of the problems shown could be easily fixed by the owner and other problems seem to be operator error. My dealer is a small Mom & Pop store but seems to be very knowledgable. I can't speak for how they are with warranty work as I haven't needed any. My basic needs have only been filters. Replacement mirror order took less than a week.

 

[coobie]

Basically, you get what you pay for. Cheaper lines of tractors are cheaper because they cut corners. They use things like a zip tied tight bend hose instead of a pipe or proper 90 degree fittings. Lower link shafts that spin instead of fixed ones with proper ball joints on the arms and so on. More plastic than steel. Buying on price point alone means that you may have to make sacrifices that aren't readily apparent. That is not to say that paying top dollar is going to get you the best machine, it is just to say that you need to compare carefully between tractors to make sure you are getting the exact same build quality in a lower priced or more expensive machine.

I own Kubota products and Kioti product.I can tell you the Kioti is right there equal with Kubota.

 

[coobie]

I've sent two or three messages to them that way without reply so I'm not too impressed there. My dealer says he gets responses and information quickly though.

Better watch out someone might think you have a chip on your shoulder.

 

[shooterdon]

As many have said..."you are buying a dealer" when you buy a tractor.

I have pretty well written off the local JD dealer. Not bad guys, just incompetent IMO. But they have a flashy showroom.

I am looking to upgrade and stopped by the LS dealer out of frustration. Boy, what a difference. The place is dumpy looking. They have four mechanics and a service truck for minor repairs. They will pick up and return a tractor if it needs warranty work for free (not covered by LS but the dealer himself). They sold 100 units last year and give every purchaser the cell phone number of the owner so they can get help 24-7. He will come in on the weekend if you need parts. He is opening a second location this year closer to where I live. Hard to ignore things like that. The Kubota dealer is closer to me and will charge $300 for pick up and delivery. The JD dealer about $150.

If LS was as bad as some think, this dealer would be swamped with calls.

As to the guy in the video, I wonder what is with him. Some of the stuff is hard to believe...like the dealer using up (or stealing?) his fuel. Some people do not read operating instructions, some like to complain and some are trying to get something for nothing. I am more concerned about the thread of the turbo issues and how LS will handle that.

 

[Grateful11]

There痴 much more useful information in amateur tv aka YouTube than professional tv. Writing off the whole thing as whole is pretty dumb. YouTube is a valuable source for problem solving. But like I said earlier, Your loss.

I agree. I see no reason why this guy take the time to make these if he wasn't really having trouble? I doubt he's getting paid anything at all from YT, if he is it's pennies.

 

[uphere]

I was considering a Kubota, Massey, Deere, etc., - until I bought an LS.
Have had three over the last 13 years and no big problems (other than issues with the EZ-shift on one which was covered under warranty) ... any other issues were minor and brought on by the operator in most cases. Dealer does make a difference - mine has been top notch.

 

[rgr33]

It’s so tempting to jump in this thread and defend the tractor, but I don’t have any real knowledge of the tractor, the owner, or the dealer. It does seem odd that he has issues with both of his LS models, especially the XR 3135, which I have read good reviews on. My LS has been solid and dependable since I bought it new in 2012. I will say I am not a fan of plastic body parts, having witnessed some jD 4400’s in the area that are held together with duct tape. Though the rest of the tractor still performs well at 20 years old.

I’d kind of like this guy to buy another brand of tractor, and write his review of that experience after a couple of years of ownership.



I am glad my tractors don’t have tier 4 emissions, or as far as I know, no computers to cause problems I can’t fix on my own.

 

[atsah]

So 1930..


You must have looked this model over enough to get a quote on it, did you notice any of things to reviewer pointed out as far as how the tractor is designed? Plastic, dipstick, air intake floating in the breeze, coolant bottle over the battery, pins on the bottom hitting, the hydro hose hitting the wheel, etc.

Are you not considering this model tractor because of the issues the reviewer has experienced or are there things he points out that you missed.. By the way the motor vibrates no more than any other 3cyl Japanese diesel and I think my Massey vibrates more, so don't let that bother you..

ALL tractor brands have an issue now and again, this guy having issues doesn't mean they all have issues. You can search until you're heart is content on this forum and find issues with ALL brands.. Why the reviewer found what he calls design flaws (which there could be) and buys the same brand is beyond me, I would have headed for a different color dealership to see if they were built differently and more to my liking.

Before he bought the first tractor he surely didn't look at it very hard because he didn't pick up on anything that he picked up on after he bought it.. I actually wouldn't put much stock into what he has to say.. No doubt he had some problems but he hates them now so getting anything positive out of him concerning LS isn't going to happen..

 

[1930]

So 1930..


You must have looked this model over enough to get a quote on it, did you notice any of things to reviewer pointed out as far as how the tractor is designed? Plastic, dipstick, air intake floating in the breeze, coolant bottle over the battery, pins on the bottom hitting, the hydro hose hitting the wheel, etc.

Are you not considering this model tractor because of the issues the reviewer has experienced or are there things he points out that you missed.. By the way the motor vibrates no more than any other 3cyl Japanese diesel and I think my Massey vibrates more, so don't let that bother you..

ALL tractor brands have an issue now and again, this guy having issues doesn't mean they all have issues. You can search until you're heart is content on this forum and find issues with ALL brands.. Why the reviewer found what he calls design flaws (which there could be) and buys the same brand is beyond me, I would have headed for a different color dealership to see if they were built differently and more to my liking.

Before he bought the first tractor he surely didn't look at it very hard because he didn't pick up on anything that he picked up on after he bought it.. I actually wouldn't put much stock into what he has to say.. No doubt he had some problems but he hates them now so getting anything positive out of him concerning LS isn't going to happen..

I dont know when it happened but I wasnt aware of tractors having the plastic in them, I thought only the small home versions were doing this.

I have zero interest in the plastic, that was enough for me, I do collision work for a living, I see too much plastic as it is.

Not to bash the brand but there were alot of things I did notice that I thought screamed save a dollar.

I havent signed any papers yet but I was approved today for the Kubota and it looks like Im going that way.