IE 9 BOMB

[KubotainNH]

I forget what order the 808x's were in. I got more involved starting with the 286 but heavily in the 386sx. The company I worked for at that time was a component level repair shop. We fixed Data General laptops with 386sx-16 chips. They were cool when we first saw them. Was neat to watch the processors evolve. The 486dx4 chips seemed to be a big jump at the time. Time marches on. Seems like not that long ago until I realize my 18 year old wasn't in the picture yet. Remember 360k 5.25" floppy disks, 8" disks and tape punch machines....

 

[Soundguy]

I used to play with old boxes.. stuff with old Z80's ( upright vido games and such.. timex.. etc.. ) and of course the 6400/64000 motorola proc's

one of my favs was an old cpm machine back in 79 on an 8088. upgraded from that to a msdos box.. had basic on rom.. from there a sperry with an extended memory card, and a perstore hdd controller.. took those old mfm and rll drive up quite a bit in space!

had a nac laptop with a v30 proc ( upgrade to an 8086... v20 was upgrade to an 8088 ).. had an external drive port.. I found a couple 8" floppies at a college yard sale and butchered an external drive cable and used drivparam to make dos access that thing..

did near the same with a bernouli box ( spelling? )

ahh.. the days of old iron...

was in a club of guys that moded vic20/48/c64 machines. you could overclock them, add in rs232 serial port.. could run 2 1541 drives and 2 sd1001 drives add in another SID chip for pseudo stereo sound.. a fan and reset button were popular adds after overlocking.

back in the day we were easilly beating XT machines running programs in basic on a moded c64. I had a timex sinclair with a 16k ram pack, and a small 4" black and white tv for a video monitor.. plus a micro cassette feck for a tape drive... that was the coolest lil thing. You could run it off 2 6v lantern batteries seriesd to 12v.. monitor tape, tv and all..

ahh.. memories... having to use debug to setup a large drive using a program on the controller card..

bck then.. if an upgrade failed.. you kinda expected it.. and pulled out the monster stack of floppies.. or the jumbo tapes...

 

[dmccarty]

I forget what order the 808x's were in. I got more involved starting with the 286 but heavily in the 386sx. The company I worked for at that time was a component level repair shop. We fixed Data General laptops with 386sx-16 chips. They were cool when we first saw them. Was neat to watch the processors evolve. The 486dx4 chips seemed to be a big jump at the time. Time marches on. Seems like not that long ago until I realize my 18 year old wasn't in the picture yet. Remember 360k 5.25" floppy disks, 8" disks and tape punch machines....

The other posts about the AT and the CPU got me thinking about history. Computer history. A guy walked in at that moment and we started talking about the computers we had used. Next thing I know we are looking at EBAY to see if a Pet Commodore 2001 is for sale. Danged if there was one! The first PC, errr, micro computer, I programed. There were at least two versions and EBAY has the first version with a chicklet keyboard and built in tape drive. The one I used had 4K, yes 4K, of memory. The later version we had came with a full size keyboard and the tape drive was attached but hit had 16K of memory! Woo Hoo! :laughing:

I think the 8086's were first followed by the 8088 but for some reason I forget, IBM used the 8086 chips in the PC 1 and XT boxes. Likely supply reasons but I really do not remember. I tried a Vic20? in my PC 1 but it did not work. :laughing:

I have every PC I have ever owned. The Commodore 2001 was about $110 last time I checked. I might buy it for the memories.

Now, if I could find the teletype printers we used in school, the ones with the round keys, and paper tapes as well as the FIRST IBM portable computer I used, the 5100. I would seriously think about buying them. The 5100 weighed about 50-60 pounds, had a built in B&W monitor that was about 4-5 inches in size, had a tape drive, I think QIC, and two programming languages available at the flick of a switch. Basic or APL. :laughing:

A stack of 80 column cards was found under the raised floor at work. I took a handful. Someone tossed a bunch of old 8 inch floppies in the recycle bin. I took them too along with a Laser Disk. Those things are HISTORY. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Later,
Dan

 

[Soundguy]

a vic 20 is a commode product. a NEC v20 is an 8088 upgrade. 8088 predated the x86 architecture.

soundguy

 

[dmccarty]

a vic 20 is a commode product. a NEC v20 is an 8088 upgrade. 8088 predated the x86 architecture.

soundguy

The V20 was supposed to work in the PC 1. I had a friend that got it to work but it did not work for me.

Later,
Dan

 

[Soundguy]

every 8088 or 8086 I had got a v20 or 30 slapped in it.. I never hit a snag. as I recall.. i even put one in that old CPM machine too.. pre- mess-dos

 

[Scooby074]

in order.

Vic20
C 64 + modem+dot matrix+tape drive+ 5.25 floppy drive !!!
Vtech 8086
Home built P3 500mhz Win ME :thumbdown: > XP:thumbsup:
Home built P4 Northwood 3.2GHz ~4GB XP Pro

Current:
Home Built Core i7 920 2.67Ghz, 6 GB DDR3, 60GB OCZ Vertex SSD, 500GB WD Caviar Black, 1TB WD Caviar Green (dump), 2TB Seagate GoFlex External, Win7 Ultimate

 

[KubotainNH]

I used to play with old boxes.. stuff with old Z80's ( upright vido games and such.. timex.. etc.. ) and of course the 6400/64000 motorola proc's

one of my favs was an old cpm machine back in 79 on an 8088. upgraded from that to a msdos box.. had basic on rom.. from there a sperry with an extended memory card, and a perstore hdd controller.. took those old mfm and rll drive up quite a bit in space!

Man, some of these old terms really shovel off some dust in my brain. In a couple weeks it will all be back there again which is a good thing. The old stuff is interesting to talk about but I wouldn't want to go back to it. Laserdisc, lol...talk about a big disk but it was a step to the future. I like my Ipod, USB, MicroSD cards and Roku2 boxes.

 

[mostly_gas]

MS updates wont kill a machine that isnt compromised with either authorized or unauthorized (and likely unknown) third party software.

You may now continue your $$(*S*# Microsoft rant.

I had it kill w2k w SCSI drives running just OS and AutoCad. Fortunately loaded SP4 on test machine first, no problems during install just could not find HD on reboot. Called MS. yes the tech replies there are issues w/ SP4 and SCSI although no warning on SP4. 3 months later MS calls and says safe for SCSI. Meanwhile I had reloaded test machine from scratch and sure enough no problems, no change in OS, apps, or drivers. When I started computer support, 5 dos6 machines running Autocad, SystemV unix on database server and MicroVax running Micro VMS 4 (I think).

SG had similar experience w/IE 8 on old laptop. after update to IE 8 it would crash w/BSD. went back to IE 7, no problems. Use Firefox so not having IE 8 not big issue just lost time tracking it down and uninstalling IE8

 

[Reg]

Its not "calling anyone out" when there are MILLIONS of installations that update correctly.

The problem is you cant write an update to cover ALL possible permutations of both hardware and software.. hence the strong recommendation to disable ALL 3rd party software, particularly during a major update. If you want a tightly controlled environment where almost everything is controlled by the OS maker, Buy Apple.Windows openness is the reason that a PC is half the price of an Apple product.

Given the sheer numbers of machines out there and all their respective configurations, the updates are overwhelmingly successful. But those huge numbers of installs, mean that there will be the occasional failure. These failures are usually caused by something unforeseen.. such as installed programs or hardware or trying to update a corrupt OS installation.

No.
and yes it IS possible and it IS done.

The number of microslop installations is essentially irrelevant, it is the number of permutations that matters and the open source base (by its very nature) has a far greater diversity of apps, plug-ins, add-ons, etc.
They don't have any "Seal of approval", but they work very well and together.

First level response answers "not supported" and "too complex" don't belong in this thread.
IE9 is junk, most of what MS peddles is junk.
They don't CARE if it doesn't work, they just waive the "not supported by us" flag.

Ya think maybe STANDARDS are adhered to in some places and not in others ?
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