I'm wore out! - fencing
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wroughtn_harv
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Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I hate trespassers and as far as I am concerned if they DIE while screwing up my property, fine. However the law, read trial lawyers, have this all @#$%$# up.)</font>
I understand your position. I don't agree with it on many levels, but I understand it.
My own concern would be that the next errant four wheeler might not be driven be an evil intented heathern but a child just following a path.
So please do mark the new barbwire fence. Explaining a decapitation might be as hard on you emotionally as it would be those who cared about the child.
Wouldn't it be great if the world was simply black and white, good versus evil?
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I hate trespassers and as far as I am concerned if they DIE while screwing up my property, fine. However the law, read trial lawyers, have this all @#$%$# up.)</font>
I understand your position. I don't agree with it on many levels, but I understand it.
My own concern would be that the next errant four wheeler might not be driven be an evil intented heathern but a child just following a path.
So please do mark the new barbwire fence. Explaining a decapitation might be as hard on you emotionally as it would be those who cared about the child.
Wouldn't it be great if the world was simply black and white, good versus evil?
Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
Well said.
I get extremely frustrated by the people who ignore property rights & I do feel a certain amount of rage when I witness it. (OK, a LOT of rage) However I would never want to be responsible for ANYONE getting injured or worse. In the first pic I posted you can see the SMV triangle I hung from the iron rail gate the Feds put up. One night I thought I was going to witness a tragedy when some ATV'ers came down the dike at a high rate of speed. They saw the gate at the last second & slid to a stop. I put the sign on it the next day. The park ranger has mentioned that their gate doesn't meet safety standards, but they haven't done anything about it. Proper gates & better signage on the far end would be a help, but I won't hold my breath.
Well said.
I get extremely frustrated by the people who ignore property rights & I do feel a certain amount of rage when I witness it. (OK, a LOT of rage) However I would never want to be responsible for ANYONE getting injured or worse. In the first pic I posted you can see the SMV triangle I hung from the iron rail gate the Feds put up. One night I thought I was going to witness a tragedy when some ATV'ers came down the dike at a high rate of speed. They saw the gate at the last second & slid to a stop. I put the sign on it the next day. The park ranger has mentioned that their gate doesn't meet safety standards, but they haven't done anything about it. Proper gates & better signage on the far end would be a help, but I won't hold my breath.
slowrev
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Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
Why is it that people with no place to ride ATV's buy them ? Sort of like living in a subdivision and buying a cow and expecting to get to graze it on someone elses property.
Why is it that people with no place to ride ATV's buy them ? Sort of like living in a subdivision and buying a cow and expecting to get to graze it on someone elses property.
Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
<font color="blue"> Why is it that people with no place to ride ATV's buy them ?</font>
Oh, they have a place alright, as long as you don't catch them doing it. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
<font color="blue"> Why is it that people with no place to ride ATV's buy them ?</font>
Oh, they have a place alright, as long as you don't catch them doing it. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( I hate trespassers and as far as I am concerned if they DIE while screwing up my property, fine. However the law, read trial lawyers, have this all @#$%$# up.)</font>
I understand your position. I don't agree with it on many levels, but I understand it.
My own concern would be that the next errant four wheeler might not be driven be an evil intented heathern but a child just following a path.
So please do mark the new barbwire fence. Explaining a decapitation might be as hard on you emotionally as it would be those who cared about the child.
Wouldn't it be great if the world was simply black and white, good versus evil? )</font>
There is a problem with that too. The trial lawyers will claim that, if you hang warning flags, you know it is a hazzard, & therefore you are responsible for every hangnail that happens to people passing by.....
The liability laws are truely messed up in this country.
--->Paul
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( I hate trespassers and as far as I am concerned if they DIE while screwing up my property, fine. However the law, read trial lawyers, have this all @#$%$# up.)</font>
I understand your position. I don't agree with it on many levels, but I understand it.
My own concern would be that the next errant four wheeler might not be driven be an evil intented heathern but a child just following a path.
So please do mark the new barbwire fence. Explaining a decapitation might be as hard on you emotionally as it would be those who cared about the child.
Wouldn't it be great if the world was simply black and white, good versus evil? )</font>
There is a problem with that too. The trial lawyers will claim that, if you hang warning flags, you know it is a hazzard, & therefore you are responsible for every hangnail that happens to people passing by.....
The liability laws are truely messed up in this country.
--->Paul
Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
That's unfortunate. When 1 person passes, it makes it look like it's ok for everyone to go. By NH standards, that gate should have a 6" round plastic tube over it with the Red and White reflective tape on it. Nice job on the fence. The signs have been sending a strong message ("Stay in the trail or Go home!"), but too many people are illiterate.
That's unfortunate. When 1 person passes, it makes it look like it's ok for everyone to go. By NH standards, that gate should have a 6" round plastic tube over it with the Red and White reflective tape on it. Nice job on the fence. The signs have been sending a strong message ("Stay in the trail or Go home!"), but too many people are illiterate.
Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I wonder if requiring membership in a club to ride on public land would help? It may be a little too invasive, but it's a thought.
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Shvl73,
NH has just such a law for snowmobilers. You must be in a club or pay additional money whwn you register. I thought they just passed or are trying to past a similar law for 4 wheelers.
Phil
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I wonder if requiring membership in a club to ride on public land would help? It may be a little too invasive, but it's a thought.
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Shvl73,
NH has just such a law for snowmobilers. You must be in a club or pay additional money whwn you register. I thought they just passed or are trying to past a similar law for 4 wheelers.
Phil
Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
I think the reason the gate is like it is, is the state doesn't deal with this section. The Corps Of Engineers put up that gate long ago & no motorized vehicles are allowed on the dike (part of the flood control from Franklin to Weare). I'm not sure of the states role in managing the park land, must be some agreement with the feds. I don't think the U.S. Government is too worried about liability. I still think better control of the area on the other end where it's accessed along with more signs would aleviate most problems.
I think the reason the gate is like it is, is the state doesn't deal with this section. The Corps Of Engineers put up that gate long ago & no motorized vehicles are allowed on the dike (part of the flood control from Franklin to Weare). I'm not sure of the states role in managing the park land, must be some agreement with the feds. I don't think the U.S. Government is too worried about liability. I still think better control of the area on the other end where it's accessed along with more signs would aleviate most problems.
Varmintmist
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Re: I\'m wore out! - fencing
Harv, this is a hot button with me and no, I really dont wish harm on people, mostly. Thats why I said put flags on the fence. So some knucklehead doesnt cut his head off and his family takes it to court and steals the land out from underneath the landowner or ruins him financially.
If someone asks for permission, then 99 times out of 100 they will get it. Permission to ride THROUGH, not ride around and rip up 3.00/lb clover, my trees, plus my time. I was a kid once to, and our choice was snowmobiles. Ya know what? We asked permission. If the landowner didnt want us there we found another way. Or talked him into parrelling a woodline or fenceline on a single trail. THEN WE STUCK BY OUR WORD.
You do know that in most states it IS your fault if a trespasser gets hurt right? You are MORE liable if you post because then "you know of an inherent danger". That just tourqes me off. That is what I meant. If they trespass and get hurt, it aint my problem by any law of common sense. Of course common sense and actual law have very little to do with one another. See, I'm really not bloodthirsty /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I just think that if you are stealing from me you shouldnt have the right to sue me and take what is mine by time and labor. That make more sense??
The only time you are NOT liable for a trespasser hurting him/herself is if they are hunting. At least in PA.
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Rambler,
There is a problem with that too. The trial lawyers will claim that, if you hang warning flags, you know it is a hazzard, & therefore you are responsible for every hangnail that happens to people passing by.....
Yeah, but the flags might stop a injury, if not, you did what you could.
The liability laws are truely messed up in this country.
You aint kidding. Those and private property rights.
Harv, this is a hot button with me and no, I really dont wish harm on people, mostly. Thats why I said put flags on the fence. So some knucklehead doesnt cut his head off and his family takes it to court and steals the land out from underneath the landowner or ruins him financially.
If someone asks for permission, then 99 times out of 100 they will get it. Permission to ride THROUGH, not ride around and rip up 3.00/lb clover, my trees, plus my time. I was a kid once to, and our choice was snowmobiles. Ya know what? We asked permission. If the landowner didnt want us there we found another way. Or talked him into parrelling a woodline or fenceline on a single trail. THEN WE STUCK BY OUR WORD.
You do know that in most states it IS your fault if a trespasser gets hurt right? You are MORE liable if you post because then "you know of an inherent danger". That just tourqes me off. That is what I meant. If they trespass and get hurt, it aint my problem by any law of common sense. Of course common sense and actual law have very little to do with one another. See, I'm really not bloodthirsty /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I just think that if you are stealing from me you shouldnt have the right to sue me and take what is mine by time and labor. That make more sense??
The only time you are NOT liable for a trespasser hurting him/herself is if they are hunting. At least in PA.
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Rambler,
There is a problem with that too. The trial lawyers will claim that, if you hang warning flags, you know it is a hazzard, & therefore you are responsible for every hangnail that happens to people passing by.....
Yeah, but the flags might stop a injury, if not, you did what you could.
The liability laws are truely messed up in this country.
You aint kidding. Those and private property rights.