Inexpensive Welding Solution?????

   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #121  
AlanB said:
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Gem, is this where I tell you that you cannot turn down the Amps on a Mig? You vary the amount of amperage by the amount of stickout that you are running. :p

Just poking fun :D

wait a minute now you turn down the voltage on it and by turning down the voltage that turns down the amps or at least I think you turn down the voltage.

On mine I know you can turn down the voltage because it will run on 115 volts or 220 volts
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #122  
Mig machines use a constant voltage type power,,,you adjust the voltage on the power source,,the wire speed control becomes your amps,,But they both work together,,you turn one,you gotta turn the other to match to get it to run right,,,mig wire just like stick rods got a range depending on size that they work in,volts and amps[wire speed,ipm],,its confusing,,but as long as you got it running good by turning them knobs,thats all you need to know,,,thingy
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #123  
Re-iterating, and far more bs then is needed in a thread about inexpensive welding, BUT what the heck, I think this train is running down the road anyway :)

A mig is CV or Constant Voltage and a Stick machine will be CC or Constant current, then machines that are multipurpose will be able to switch between the two. (such as my Trailblazer) which can be a powersource for a MIG or can be a standard stick welder.

I think the formulae is e=I X R or something along those lines, so when you hold the one (either v or C) constant, then the others will fluctuate. (added on edit, that they will fluctuate because you are holding the welding rod / torch etc in your hand and the air gap that you are working with will change, a good welder will change less then a poor welder, machine operations will hold all the parameters the same so you will not see a change) So if you watch the meters on a CC machine while the welders weld, you will see the V meter dancing around if it is me at the helm, and stay real steady if thingy has the stick. It will vary the voltage as my arc gap changes.

On the mig it is just the opposite, it is a CV machine, and you will see the current changing as the stickout changes also as Thingy said if you vary your wire speed etc. it would change as well, but generally that is set, and you are making fine adjustments with the amount of stickout that you are using, which in turn will change the operating amperage of the machine as you have designated and locked in a constant voltage.

And thingy several of the newer welders are featuring "synergistic" (or whatever that brand wants to call it) controls where the wire setting is a relationship with the heat range, and the speed is automaticly varied as the heat range is changed, instead of being direct control over the feed it becomes a percentage of control of what the speed parameters should be for a particular VOLTAGE setting.....

Oh, and Gem, on my post I was just poking fun that you said you changed the amperage and you do not have a knob for that....
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #124  
HomeBrew2 said:
... and vary the amount of destructive heat by how fast you are (?)


Not sure I follow the question Homebrew.
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #125  
gemini5362 said:
wait a minute now you turn down the voltage on it and by turning down the voltage that turns down the amps or at least I think you turn down the voltage.

On mine I know you can turn down the voltage because it will run on 115 volts or 220 volts

Actually, I bet you are running somewhere between 15 and 25 VDC and it is transforming down from whatever input line voltage that you have. Some of the new inverters are incredible at changing line voltages down without any special outside circuitry.
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #126  
Alan,another good one,,I'm not up to date on any of the latest,,thingy
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #127  
Me either Thingy, my dad had to explain it to me after I kept finding myself back at the same wire speed "setting" on different heat ranges for his welder, man was I scratching my head..............................

Don't think you do much TIG, but it is similar I think to what the Amptrol does on a TIG. You get 100% of what is dialed in as the base #.

To the OP, sorry we have digressed so far from your basic question and discussion, I still think for money spent, even if you do not find a used one, a tombstone, or similar Miller or Hobart unit will go a long way towards doing what you desire.

I saw the Tombstone at Lowes for $269 last night, maybe you can stumble into a good cupon or something and get a new one at a fair price? The Hobarts may be even less? PM me your adress and I will mail you a box of 6011 X 1/8" to get you started when you get your unit.
 
   / Inexpensive Welding Solution????? #128  
gemini5362 said:
Thank yoIu for this tip. One of the reasons I hesitated about buying the miller DVI is a low duty cycle. I finally decided that I do not do that much welding and if it shut off then I could just drink a soda and wait for it to cool down. I will try this method out if I have any problems

I have never hit the duty cycle shut down... Usually there is a lot for me to do in between laying a bead... Maybe I need to work faster!
 

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