Interesting Reading

[Eddie]

This is very interesting reading.

Engine Oil Filter Study

 

[phatgemi]

It is interesting reading but really doesn't say a whole lot. Mostly measurements of the filters. I would imagine that any of them would do an adequate job on your tractor. Change the oil at a reasonable time frame and you will never have a problem. Sometimes I think we worry too much about small things.

 

[Eddie]

I find it interesting about the leak back of some filters.

 

[tallyho8]

What I found interesting was the leakdown on the Fram filters allowing your vehicle to have valve clatter in the mornings. I always used Purolater filters with no valve clatter on my Ranger and last oil change put on a Fram and sometime after I noticed valve clatter for the first time when starting my truck in the morning. I never linked it to the filter till I read this post. I went out and bought a Purolater filter today and will install it as soon as I get a chance and see if the am valve clatter ceases.

 

[Gizmo36]

I think I may start useing Purolater filters . I all ways thought Fram was a good filter . But now I know.

 

[BruceR]

What I found interesting was the leakdown on the Fram filters allowing your vehicle to have valve clatter in the mornings. I always used Purolater filters with no valve clatter on my Ranger and last oil change put on a Fram and sometime after I noticed valve clatter for the first time when starting my truck in the morning.

I have a Ranger also and have always used Fram filters. Now I know why I have that initial valve clatter. Guess I am changing as well.

Bruce

 

[normde2001]

This is very interesting reading.

Engine Oil Filter Study

This guy needs to get a life . I would need someone to explain to me how the brand of oil filter has anything to do with hydraulic lifters collapsing.

 

[Jagmandave]

Some filters have a "leak back" valve, so the filter doesn't empty out when the engine shuts down, I think it has mostly to do with the filter's orientation. If it's upside down for example, you really need the valve, so that the filter doesn't empty out over night. Waiting for the filter to fill up with oil is what's causing the clatter, only what I'd bet you're hearing is rod noise rather than valve clatter - which is even worse!

Most VW cars (at least they used too) require a filter with this valve for just this reason......

 

[normde2001]

Whatever is happening, you can bet the filter ain't causing the lifters to collapse, (valve clatter). They either retain oil over a given period of time or they don't.

 

[kenmac]

Dave , I would rather have oil in my filter at start up than not. These test are done (& there are other test ) to show folkes that don't what filters do, & that some filters do alot better job than others. Take the fram with a plastic check valve . There are folkes out there that think fram ( because very good advertising campaign) is the best out there.I add oil to my filters (when ever possible ) when I change oil & filter , to keep from having a dry filter start up.

 

[SATOHBULL]

[The drainback issue is a very old and well known problem. I used to do a lot of auto work and have seen this a number of times. It was particularly troublesome on some Fords. The placement of the filter in relation to the oil passages would allow the engine to drain all the passages back to the pan overnight. Upon cold startup, the bearings had no oil. The lifters had no oil pressure for several seconds so they could not refill from normal leakage. Hydraulic lifters all leak, some more than others.

As proof of that, just remember how you check valve clearance on a lot of engines that don't have adjustable valve trains, (Like Ford FE series for instance). The manual says to push down on the lifter, pushrod or rocker arm until the lifter leaks down so that the measurement can be made. This is done after some repair work, and longer or shorter pushrods are used to get to the desired clearance. So, obviously lifters leak more than some folks believe.

That is not normally an issue as a constantly available oil supply, under pressure, instantly refills them when the cam is on the lowest point. It only takes a few open, close cycles to cause a noise if no oil is avialable.

 

[California]

Considering all the unknowns described here, I always use the compression release to crank until I see some oil pressure, before every cold start. You don't have to worry about oil filter leakdown, this conclusively remedies it.

This also remedies another hazard - it blows out any condensation that could be in the cylinder. Cranking against uncompressible water would crack the rings or bend a rod.

Better safe than sorry.

 

[Partsman2]

The anti drain back valve is a definite issue. A lot of the GM trucks with V8 engines from early 90's up had the filter laying horizontially which allowed them to leak off the oil when the engine sat for any time at all. This requires the oil pump to fill the filter 1st before it can build pressure for the lifters and worse yet the bearings. I had a couple of those models and they all clattered in the morning when you started them. Especially in cold weather. Wix developed a new filter for these that had the anti drain back valve to prevent the oil from draining out of the filter. It stopped the clattering problem.

Keep in mind that the filters that have been tested in this study are the (or used to be) the top selling Ford and Chrysler filters. The FL1A (Wix 51515) was the #1 selling filter for all filter manufacturers for 20 years. In most cases this was the loss leader for the high marketing, low quality companies. If they are going to cut corners this is where they will do it. Companies like Wix, Baldwin, Hastings, and most heavy equipment oem's who are selling on quality and demanding the higher prices do not cut corners on any of their filter applications.

I saw quality studies like this done 15 years ago and the results were pretty much the same. I came to some conclusions then about what I will run on anything I own and what I won't. I will not run a filter that has a string tied around it. Maybe there is no problem with the string but it does not denote quality to me. I don't like a filter that using a spring steel insert for the pressure relief spring. OEM's typically don't manufacture their own filters so just because it says AC, Motorcraft, Mopar, or even John Deere does not mean it is a quality filter. I have cut open AC filters and found strings wrapped around them.

I am partial since I am a distributor for Wix but that is the only filter I run. If that is not available I will run a John Deere, Kubota, Baldwin, or one of the other primary heavy duty manufacturer's filters. It's a rare occasion that I can't get the filter I need in Wix. Wix also makes NAPA Gold, Carquest, and a few other private label filters. The quality is the same as long as you are buying the top line filter in that brand. Wix also makes a strictly light duty automotive filter called Protec which is the same as NAPA Silver. These are excellent filters for the price. I'd put them up against any Fram, Purolator, and the other high marketing, low price brands any day.

To summarize, oil and filters are cheap, engines are expensive. This is not the place to cut corners. If you pay $2 or $3 for a filter then you are most likely getting 2 or 3 dollars worth of filter.

 

[kenmac]

To summarize, oil and filters are cheap, engines are expensive. This is not the place to cut corners. If you pay $2 or $3 for a filter then you are most likely getting 2 or 3 dollars worth of filter.




Very well put. As for a fram, I wouldn't use it on anything I own !

 

[pruntyc]

I believe if everyone would listen to what California said, they wouldn't have any problem. If not, then I guess you need to spend more for your filter.

 

[kenmac]

Not trying to start a war here but,There's more to an expensive oil filter than just a good anit drain back valve. You also have the material that the filter media is made of & how it's constructed & what % micron of contaminates that media will trap .A compression release can nothing to stop contaminates if your using a filter with inferior filter media. For those that like cheap oil filters , it's your equipment & your money go for it !

 

[California]

Belt & suspenders. The filter on my Yanmar is a NAPA Gold, one of the few that even Partsman approves of!

 

[LMTC]

NAPA Gold was (and I assume still is) a Wix filter.

 

[kenmac]

Good choice cal. That's what I also use most of the time. NAPA gold is a Wix . Wix filter & it's not the cheap $3.00 filter. I know some folkes that use Wix on their big rigs. .Cal, I wasn't posting my statment to any one person , just making a general statment. (guess I should have stated that)