Invasion of the City Folk

[YanmarFever]

I wasnt there
I dont recall anything
theres no evidence of that..... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hillary Rotwiller Clinton ( lawyer)

 

[HGM]

Hobblecreek,
I respect the integrity you show. I also fully agree that there are good lawyers out there, as you appear to be one of them. My only issue with your post is that with the McDonalds case you referenced, even if they "overheated the coffee", I cant see the justification of a lawsuit. When I order something "hot" I expect it to be hot. Can I define hot? No, not really. If its too hot, should I sue? No..

Every company has gimmiks. If I spilled hot coffee on myself, I take the responsibility for it, I dont blame someone else. This to me is like suing the filling station because I added gas to my diesel truck because the pumps are right next to eachother. At some point, people need to get back to taking responsibility for their own actions.

Part of my iirritation for this is that I had attourneys tell me that my medical lawsuit was not justified. My wife nearly died because a student "doctor" told us that it was "too late in the evening to wake up the (real)doctor, this can wait until the morning". I know there is allot more to the story, but I'm keeping it simple. The told me that unless she has permenant physical conditions related to his poor judgement, we were SOL. She had a tumor that was bleeding out internally, it had appeared 6mo earlier then stopped bleeding making it unable to be seen in the tests. She began bleeding again, after her second transfusion, her doctor debated having her air lifted to Emory(medical college) because of the importance of time. He finnaly decided to rush her in the ambulance after my wife gave her input(she doesnt like to fly). Needless to say, keeping it short, she had stopped bleeding by the morning time and the test her doctor ordered was never performed. She was released with no problem found....

Her doctor was livid and had the test performed at another hospital the following week. Within 8hrs of this test she was in the operating room, having the tumor removed.

Anyhow, I know this got a little long winded off on a rant. However, back on topic, I dont hate lawyers. I hate the system that keeps feeding the vultures. This system also keeps people looking for something they dont deserve, alowing them to blame someone else for their own actions. Disrespecting lawyers that take advantage of the system should be shot IMHO. Again I dont direct this to you, it is these lawyers that give your profession a bad name, even if they are the minority.

 

[riptides]

Good post.

Always more to the story than we are led to believe.

One day soon, when you need one, a lawyer could be your best friend, right? I mean in time and place, sooner or later ya might have to make the call. Then, perhaps others who have paved the way, frivolous or not, may make your path easier to follow.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[riptides]

Interesting article in this mornings Washington Post. I'd like to see the farmland graphic by county for this region. Anyway, check out the land prices. And of course check out the farmers attitudes.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Farmers and choice

 

[HobbleCreek]

Very interesting article.

My uncle, who now farms what's left of Grandpa's farm, says he's in the never sell category. I believe that his wife, however, will have the farm sold before she picks out his casket.

I had a visit with my distant cousin not five years ago and he said he would never sell. Wal-Mart came in a mile away, land values skyrocketed, and he sold out. He's still farming the land for now, but it won't be long before it's all subdivisons.

It's sad to me, but as an earlier post said, the people that own that land have -- and should have -- the right to sell.

-- Grant

 

[HobbleCreek]

HGM,

You're right, that we need to start taking responsibility for our own actions. It sounds like you're also right to have some frustration regarding your wife's situation, though I'm sure you're grateful that your wife had a good doctor to follow up, that the problem was caught, and that you have your alive instead of having a "good lawsuit."

As for the McDonald's case and your gas/diesel analogy -- would you feel the same way if the gas station put gasoline in the diesel tank because they could sell fuel labeled as diesel for $2.99/gallon but gasoline was selling for only $2.57/gallon? If they took an intentional act that they knew put your automobile at risk, and you were faced with spending $10 Grand to replace your Duramax, I bet you'd want to hold them responsible. Maybe not. Maybe you'd realize that you could have pumped a little fuel into a separate container, smelled it, and realized it was gasoline and that it was really your fault you filled your tank with the wrong fuel.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that in almost every situation, there is some shared responsibility when things go "wrong." I'm glad that when a person is injured because of the intentionally deceptive and knowingly harmful acts of somebody trying to make a buck off their victim, our system holds that bad actor responsible. Unfortunately, there are plenty in our society that need that deterrent.

I'm also glad that there are still plenty of people in our society who are willing to recognize and say "Hey, that was clumsy of me to spill piping hot coffee down my pants," and then move on with their lives.

-- Grant

 

[riptides]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I'm also glad that there are still plenty of people in our society who are willing to recognize and say "Hey, that was clumsy of me to spill piping hot coffee down my pants," and then move on with their lives.)</font>

Yep. It took a savvy person to define "hot" and then take it to investigate "deceptive" business practices and the "conspiracy" practices behind it.

I viewed it, by what I know, as a failure in the business model to provide adequate warnings and safety handlers to the cup itself.

Of course when you pour something into a container, and it goes mushy on you in a few minutes, there might be a problem. Or so one would think.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[HGM]

Agreed,
Like anything, there are two sides to every story. Unnesicary manipulation driven by greed is what gets me, and it sounds like you and I are of the same mindset.

As for the coffee, I used to like the fact that it would still be hot by the time I got to the bottom of the cup /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif... Thats just me I guess. Maybe I drink it too slow. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[dmccarty]

HGM,

The McDonalds Coffee case was all about McD's keeping coffee hot so that they would not have to provide refills. This was to maixmize their profits by lowering their expenses inspite of their advertising. McDs had received numerous compliants about people being burned by their coffee and did nothing to lower the temperature of the product being served.

I'm pretty sure the woman received second degree burns on the inside of her thighs.

I drank coffee at a McDs about the time the lady in question was burned. I burned my lips and tongue. After finishing my breakfast I had to ask for a cup of ice to cool down the coffee so it could be drank. This is simply too hot. It does not make for good coffee either. There is only one reason for the coffee to be this hot and that was for McDs to wiggle out of the advertising and make money.

You may like hot coffee. So do I. But I have never been served coffee that hot before or since. There is no excuse of what McDs did. The penalities against McDs reflected not only what happened to the lady but the policy of the company and its deliberate serving of a product that was burning people. The woman was also found at fault for spilling the coffee. But that fact is that even if she spilled the coffee she should not be burned.

This is a real bad case to use to slam lawyers. This was a good case maligned by the press.

You want a good case go after the ones were the psychic sued after an MRI and lost her abilities. Or the psychic was hit by another skier on the slopes and lost her powers. Those are good lawyer slamming examples. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Later,
Dan

 

[YanmarFever]

We were talking about city folks tresspasing on land & now were spilling coffee over it ? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

How about when a tresspaser gets hurt on your land & you didnt even know that they were there.

Soon the letter from the lawyer arrives, and your in court defending everything you own at your expense. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif