is a b7800 to big

[JD2K]

Hey Del,

Great point on the Position control. It is so handy, the B7800 and the B-10's have a quarter inching valve as do the 7510's. That is very cool and helpful on bigger implements during mounting.

The Older B7500/7400 do not have position control. So gradeing and rock rake operations take some getting used to but they can be done.


What about Draft sensing? The smaller tractors have no draft sensing and on the compacts it's optional. That chaps me, too deep is just as much a problem as not deep enough.

And telescopic draft links too.

You know I hate to say this But Kioti has all these features as standard features on their compact tractors.

I am just still not ready to buy an off brand of any kind. I still consider Kioti an off brand but I have to admit that the DK45 I ran was a very impressive tractor. With all the options and the price difference they are getting tough to ignore.

Somebody other than the manufacturers should set up a real test between all the big brands and some of the off brands too. A real world test on some jokers farm or wood lot. Mowing Tilling, loading logs, loading sand, pulling a sled and racing.

The county fairs up here are good but they allow too many modifications.

Anyway I just think that would be fun.

AJP

 

[del]

JD2K

All my tractors have draft control...

When they stop...TOO DEEP

When they snap my neck back...TOO SHALLOW.

Hey, JD2K I just bought another tractor, please quit
making me crazy will all these cool things like that
1/4 inching valve and draft control.

Next thing I'll hear is all the backhoes but mine have
the same electronics the new excavators have, almost
semi-auto control of the backhoe. Returns to the same
dump spot and height each swing, etc etc etc

All this stuff is slowly coming down from the bigger
tractors. I don't know why things like the telescoping
end links etc don't just appear and become STD equipment.

The more tractors that are out there, even in the used
market, that are easy to use, the more people will want
one.

The smaller manufacturers, like Kioti, separate themselves
by doing just that, just as fast as possible they incorporate
improvements.

If they could suddenly shove a much larger dealer network
into place with advertising to match maybe the "big 3" would
take notice. Reminds me of Japanese cars in the early 70s.

Detroit didn't seem to pay much attention.

Welcome to TBN, the land of endless opinions and info.

Pick and choose what you like, discard the rest!

del

 

[JD2K]

Yeah Del

I always feel like the engineers wait for me to finally buy something before the unveil the next "Got to have" option.

I got the B-7500 because of the 2 speed rear Pto. That had aome guys jumping on the buy board. But for me and my generator there is no other way to fly.

I thought the 1000 rpm rear pto had gone out with the DoDo. But someone says that Kubota has had them on various models since 1970.

On Draft sensing i get you, but that slick little handle they put on the L's(optional) and the M's(standard) would be great on a B too.

Sorry to bring you down. But as soon as the weather gets better the Orange Glow will over take us all, and all will be right with the world.

My Glow formerly green now green and orange dulls a bit when I do winter chores and woods work but come spring and tilling/ plowing and haying I'm all a-glow.

I cannot wait to try that M out in the field. I have a good neighbor who can't wait either.

Anyway I hope you get to enjoy your new purchase during the long cold.

Cadillac Tony

 

[del]

The two speed PTO is an idea just to simple to have been
ignored for so long.

I think the one speed must date back to gas engined
tractors? that needed the rpm.

For many jobs I could run the tractor at a much lower
rpm if the PTO gear ratio would give me the blade tip
speed necessary for a clean mow cut.

I was <font color="blue">blue</font> then
<font color="blue"> blue</font> and <font color="orange">orange</font> , now
<font color="blue">blue</font>, <font color="orange">orange</font> and <font color="green">green</font>

del

 

[DK35vince]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I am just still not ready to buy an off brand of any kind. I still consider Kioti an off brand but I have to admit that the DK45 I ran was a very impressive tractor. With all the options and the price difference they are getting tough to ignore. )</font>

Sorry to see your not interested in Kioti Tony.
I was a John Deere owner and when looking for a new tractor I couldn't ignore the options and price on Kioti.
2 years with my DK 35 and I like it.
I like it a lot !

 

[JD2K]

DK35,
( <font color="blue"> </font>

I don't know but that sounds like a pretty strong endorsement of a tractor make that 10 years ago, couldn't build a tractor that ran. As late as 2000 I would have put Kioti with McConnell the yellow Chinese wonder.( As in I wonder if it will start today)

But Today the Kioti is as I said hard to ignore. I agree with myself when I said they offered as standard equipment many items that are optional on the Green and true Orange. I had an opportunity to skid logs for a week with a Kioti DK45 and I was so impressed I almost bought one on the spot. I said that I was impressed in my post. So PLEASe don't get me wrong I have nothing against Kioti anymore and I am watching them very closely.

Kioti is just not for me,....yet. I make my living on my bigger tractor. I don't know anyone close by who has one and has used it day after day in the field and woods. I skid with a JD540 and load logs with my M6800(formerly the JD4700).

I just want some proff of longevity from Kioti before I buy one. And It needs to be around here, or in a similar climate under similar conditions.

Another consideration is dealers. We don't have one yet within 2 hours. There is one guy but he has carried: Same, Lamborghini, LongTrac, and now Kioti. Not what I'd call good advertising.

But I a happy for you that you bought a Kioti. I am 100% convinced that you did the right thing. I am also 100% sure you got quite a bit more for your money than I did when I bought my 4700. I say that again the Kioti DK45 is more tractor for the money than the JD4700. But I am just not a believer yet. I went Deere because they are a known quantity. Plus they are easy to service.

I wish you great success with the Kioti, please let me know what you use it for and how many hours you have on it etc.

If I ever say anything that seems derrogatory about a person place or thing, please call me on it. It is never my intention to offend.

AJP

 

[DK35vince]

I never took any offense.
I just jumped in here to let you know how my Kioti was working out for me.
I use my DK 35 to maintain 15 acres. Field mowing, finish mowing, tilling, some front loader and backhoe work, Etc.
I have used it for 2 years and around 200 hours, so far so good ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[shoppintractors]

<font color="blue">You know I hate to say this But Kioti has all these features as standard features on their compact tractors.
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I've noticed that too...

<font color="blue"> I still consider Kioti an off brand but I have to admit that the DK45 I ran was a very impressive tractor. </font>

I might call them an 'alternate' brand' not necessarily an 'off' brand. Like all tractors, some are stronger in geographic areas than others. I have heard Kioti referred to as part of the Big "4".

<font color="blue"> With all the options and the price difference they are getting tough to ignore.
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Absolutely.....and even tougher when they get there entire CK (hydrostatic) line rolled out.

Don

 

[frank_f15]

in my estamation the size of the property does not really matter to the size of the tractor, IT ALL DEPENDS on what u need to do with the tractor. i don't think the 7800 will be to heavy for ur septic system,

 

[art]

I do respect the Kioti line too. I think they have come a long way to be where they are today. They are spotty in sales and likewise resale but they are improving. Some of the manufacturers do offer more features as standard equipment. It is funny but I have sold farm tractors to people that don't care about those features for the work that they use it for, and don't want to know the advantages of the option because of that. Worst part is they often grumble over having to pay for it. On the other side there are people that want all the bells and whistles and yes there are back rooms in every manufacturers headquarters that people work in just to find more options! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif