Is A YM1602D A Good Risk?

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Dws1602d

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Howdy. I'm a newbie to this site (and tractors in general) but I have some acreage in Idaho that I plan to retire on soon and have been shopping CL and local tractor dealers here in Everett, WA for a good compact tractor.
I've observed that this forum seems to be frequented by some very savvy tractor owner/experts so I thought I should seek your sage advice prior to laying down any dough for a tractor.
I found a clean Yanmar 1602D on a little apple orchard in the Yakima (dry) area that has 1180 hours and comes with an FEL, Deutz-Allis mower, Yanmar SA1300 tiller and 48" 3pt blade for $5400. The photos looks good so I will probably make the 250 mile drive to check it tomorrow. I would appreciate some pointers/advice on what to look for in general and if the fact that this model is somewhat scarce makes it a risky purchase?
 
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I've had a 1602D since 2005, it has 809hrs and is an absolutely great tractor. I have had no trouble getting parts for it, and wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
I have had to fix some minor age related items in the last 3 months (bad seal in the loader control valve, rad hose showing its age,...), but otherwise it has been completely trouble free.

It is a great tractor, and for my area, that would be a great price.
 
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Welcome to the forum!

As project_x said, there may be some age-related issues with the machine. It's 25 to 30 years old, after all. If you were looking at a car from the early '80s, how would you expect it to look? If it's pristine and seemingly untouched, it's obviously been redone. Some of the machines are treated in Vietnam (or other places) to a "reconditioning" process that has a bad reputation among the members on this board.

Some have had horrific experiences with tractors done that way. I think I have one, but it's actually the best machine I own. (Though that isn't saying much.)

Look for obvious leaks, drips, cracks, or breaks in things. Check the play in the steering wheel: if you lightly press one way on it, how far does it go before the wheels move or the steering wheel gets tight? Does the steering arm move much before the tires do?

Examine the knuckle castings and axle components, and really the entire frame/casting sections of the tractor for fractures or bends. The front end of these tractors really take a beating, especially with a loader.

In that area, I would look even more closely at the air filter than I normally would. (I used to live east of there about 100 miles, and my brother is in the area) Pull the cover off and look down into the manifold to see if it is passing contaminants through or around the filter. The loess soil there, combined with the prevalence of agriculture in the area, puts a lot of dirt into the air. Aftermarket filters for some Yanmar machines are notorious for not sealing properly and passing dirt. I see the 1602 has a canister style filter, which is good, but still check it.

Check the fluid in the transmission after running it around and cycling the loader and lift. It should be clear to brownish, but look clean and transparent. (Rum is brown but clean looking and transparent, while pond water is brown but dirty looking) If it looks whitish or cream colored, there is water in the system. It's not an emergency or a deal breaker, but needs to be remedied. Find out how long it has been like that.

Try to start it cold, without being "warmed up for you" or pulled out already. A puff of smoke when starting is normal. I don't have a 1602, but have some moderately comparable ones. My 3 cylinder engines fire up easily cold after running them with the compression release activated and the fuel on until oil pressure is accumulated. My low-ish compression 2 cylinder tractor takes a couple spins around with full compression to build heat, while my tight 2 cylinder tractor bangs to life instantly, even with a pitifully weak battery that can't spin the engine through against the compression. I've never used, or needed, a pre-heater or starter fluid on them. Ask if he needs either of those in winter. (You want him to say he never uses starter fluid.)

The weather in Yakima/Selah/Naches will be more than warm enough that it should come to life willingly, even after sitting for a few months. If it doesn't, something is amiss (I won't say wrong.)

Operationally, check that it goes into and out of four wheel drive. It might be slightly tight going in or out of the position, but it shouldn't require a boot or a smack to go in or out. The same goes for the high and low range, each gear in the transmission, and the PTO drive.

Ask him if the tires are filled, if so, with what, what type of oil and filters he uses, where he sources them, and so forth. You'll be able to figure that out yourself, but it's a good way to get a feel for how well it has been maintained. Ask for any manuals or brochures he has, where he originally bought it, and so forth. Have him show you how to set up and operate the mower, in particular, and at what PTO speed. See if he has belts for it, too.

When you are smitten by how awesome a machine you're looking at, make sure to take pictures of the area and the machine and you picking it up, and post them here! Give it a good bath just in case it's been worked pulling a pesticide sprayer through the orchard. And then go play with it! I really like the size and look of the 1602 and 1610 tractors. I haven't yet found one for myself.

You'll get off the hook for me asking you to post the model number and specifications for your pump, since project_x already did so for his. :D

Good luck!
 
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Fellas, thank you for your inputs. I feel much better prepared and a little less concerned now that I've heard what you have to say about the 1602d.
So far I've only seen a few photos but the tractor looks very well cared for and, according to the farmer, it runs great and he hasn't had any problems with it. It also has power steering but I wasn't sure if that was normal or an option on these. Is there a way to tell if it's an add-on?.
Do you recommend changing out all the fluids and filters automatically on something like this? Is there anything I need to do to winterize her?
I still need to pick up a couple pf implements (auger, box blade, snowblower?) but I can use everything that comes with it.
If I buy it I will take some photos of it before I load it up.
Thanks for all your help guys,
Don
 
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It also has power steering but I wasn't sure if that was normal or an option on these. Is there a way to tell if it is an add-on?
Thanks for all your help guys,
Don

Don,
The power steering is likely an add-on, it is not in the parts manual for a 1602d. There was power steering available for similar models made for he North American market, or there are multiple vendors that sell after market power steering kits. I am in the process of adding power steering to my 1602d and i would really appreciate any pictures of the setup if possible.

another thing to take a look at it is the 3pt hitch, i believe that mine was built as a 2pt hitch, and converted to a tradition NA 3pt hitch. I'd be interested in seeing some pics of that as well.

I can answer any 1602d specific questions that might come up from looking at it.
 
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I've had an 1802 for years and been very satisfied with it and it is very similar to the 1602. The first thing I would do is see what make fel is on it. If it is a Bulldog then the tractor is probably a Vietnam recon and you can't get parts for it and I would be very leery about buying it.
 
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I don't know much about winterizing. Winter is when I have to wear pants outside sometimes...:D

I'd change at least the filters, engine oil and front axle lube on principle. If the hydraulic fluid is milky or really dirty I'd change it. Thinking about it, if you're going to be using it in winter environments, I suppose making sure the Thermostart device works properly would be useful. I would drain the coolant and flush the system, then refill with a known mixture rated to the temperatures you expect to see. I'd make sure the tires aren't full of straight water, too, though they likely aren't.
 
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I've had an 1802 for years and been very satisfied with it and it is very similar to the 1602. The first thing I would do is see what make fel is on it. If it is a Bulldog then the tractor is probably a Vietnam recon and you can't get parts for it and I would be very leery about buying it.
tallyho8, I've heard of the Vietnam tractors but I don't understand why parts would be any different if they are the same model 1602d? Is there anything else I should be looking for? The Bulldog FELs I've seen photos of were red with a black bucket but this tractor's FEL is all black. If there's no decal or label how can I tell?

Thank's 284 International. If I get it I will give it the works!

project X, I will take photos of the PS and 3pt even if I don't buy it.

Ciao!
Don
 
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Its the VN loaders that aren't supported with parts. The tractor should have decent support.
 
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I think you will find that is factory power steering similiar to the 2002 and 1802. Here is a parts drawing of their set up.
 

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