Is it time to consider electric?

   / Is it time to consider electric? #91  
At one point Tesla had a battery pack swap going on for their semis 20 minutes start to finish. I think that the idea lost out to DC high speed charging that can go 20-80% in about 20 minutes.

FritoLay has been using electric trucks since 2010, slowly moving from e-transit vans to semis. The nearest distribution center uses the electric semis. I saw another article that said that the 3-4 hour range worked well with their depot based drivers and trucks.

Not everybody can use or wants a 700HP Case Quad-track, and not everybody wants a CubCadet. Different tools for different jobs in my book. I have corded tools, battery powered tools, and ICE tools, each does what I need. I thought that the early cordless screwdrivers were useless, but with other folks using them, the tools evolved, and I love my cordless drills now. While I would not presume to tell someone else to that they had to use, say, a K&R brand drill press, I might mention how great it was for my use, but that's different.

I saw John Deere working on precision at Stanford in 1993 or 1992. (They were endlessly harrowing the same two or three acres. It was pretty funny. The lab that invented GPS was a couple hundred feet away.) GPS took awhile to move into the mainstream, but I now know a bunch of row crop farmers that use it to track everything from planting rates through final yield and they say it helps them manage costs and profits. My point being that I think electric tractors are in their early early days, and while they make some sense for some applications (e.g. mowing around schools), it is going to be awhile before they move out to more mainstream use.

"If the shoe fits, wear it..." (and if it doesn't don't sweat it!)

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Is it time to consider electric? #92  
It turns out Tesla is an American company. Ford is an American company. GM is an American company. Rivian is an American company. There are startups building electric vehicles and vehicle parts around the world. Dana is a big international company getting into EV components.

The tax incentives have stipulations on where the vehicles and batteries are made. And, I believe some of that is happening here in the USA. There are some new Lithium mines that are opening, although at least one is still having issues with mining rights and Native Americans, I think.

We'll be hearing more about Sodium and other battery chemistries in the near future. Some will go into things like solar and backup batteries. Some will go into cars.
 
   / Is it time to consider electric? #93  
I AM all for American made EV cutting edge technology.
I am NOT for importing this replacement technology, especially if it is forced on us at the cost of what little manufacturing we have left.

Tesla is fine, but don’t treat people like they’re stupid and think all the parts are made HERE. The others have less American content.
 
   / Is it time to consider electric? #94  
It may well have to charge every once in a while. But, then again most diesel trucks on the road also have to refuel.

Give it 5 or 10 years, and the Teslas will be running 24/7 without drivers, while the diesels will be stuck idling all night in rest areas.
Make no mistake, if an electric tractor comes along that has the capabilities of a ICE and make economical sense, farmers will start buying them.
Operating a big ICE 24/7 runs into a lot of dollars worth of fuel. With the newest theory saying oil is actually a renewable resource, at least we don't have to worry about running out of that till electric tractors take of. Mine guess is it will be a while.
 
   / Is it time to consider electric? #95  
Insanity...pure insanity like most things today. No rational thought or actual proof of anything. Plant more trees!
no one is rational nowadays Kanasta is already beyond net zero with all our trees and low emissions but we still need to drive co2 out of existence through tax despite our harsh winter and high electricity price.
 
   / Is it time to consider electric? #96  
Make no mistake, if an electric tractor comes along that has the capabilities of a ICE and make economical sense, farmers will start buying them.
Operating a big ICE 24/7 runs into a lot of dollars worth of fuel. With the newest theory saying oil is actually a renewable resource, at least we don't have to worry about running out of that till electric tractors take of. Mine guess is it will be a while.

I would buy one, IF it’s cheaper to run, has enough domestic content and not forced on me.
 
   / Is it time to consider electric? #97  
no one is rational nowadays Kanasta is already beyond net zero with all our trees and low emissions but we still need to drive co2 out of existence through tax despite our harsh winter and high electricity price.
Think about the cost to the consumer if fuel used in every step of food production is taxed. From when the seed is placed in the ground until it is food on consumer's plates, we have multiple steps requiring fuel, all of them being taxed.
 
   / Is it time to consider electric? #98  
Not cheap??? $28,000 not cheap! Compare that to an $11,000 61" Ferris!!!
People that believe that $17,000 more difference will "pay for itself" has their head up their......CORNPOP!
I thought I had reposted a chart on the Greenworks mowers somewhere, but I can't seem to locate it at the moment.

However, you can calculate fuel/electric cost differences here:


The question is about how much you're using it. If you're mowing your lawn for 15 minutes every two weeks, then the commercial grade mower is probably not the one for you.

If you are doing commercial mowing with it, then it may be worth it.

They're supposed to be quite a bit quieter which would be nice.

Say you're mowing for 700 hours a year at 1.5 gallons per hour and $4 a gallon, and you're up to over $4000 a year in gas or diesel. And if electricity rates are reasonable, it might be a couple hundred in electricity. I don't know how the maintenance costs add up, but you have the periodic oil and filters to change for the gas/diesel engines.

Anyway, if you save $4000 a year in operating costs, then over the period of a few years it will save the capital cost difference.

Each business will have to determine if it meets their goals.
 
   / Is it time to consider electric? #99  
Think about the cost to the consumer if fuel used in every step of food production is taxed. From when the seed is placed in the ground until it is food on consumer's plates, we have multiple steps requiring fuel, all of them being taxed.
I experience it every time i hit the pump or the grocery store any store for that matter… just close my eyes and swipe the card.
 
   / Is it time to consider electric? #100  
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They're supposed to be quite a bit quieter which would be nice.

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Guy across the street has a battery powered zero turn. It IS very, very quiet. You still hear the swoosh of the air from the blades and the grass, but just a little noise from the motors.
 

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