Is there a way NOT to float the 3ph

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flusher said:
I have teeth on the 4-ft bucket on my B7510HST but rarely use them to dig in undisturbed soil. Much better to use a plow, rototiller, middle buster or box blade to loosen the soil and then use the FEL to scoop it out. Here's a few shots of the excavation for a paver block walkway in front of my house done that way.

Flusher-like Roy said-"nice screening on your ROPs". Where did you buy the screening and what is it made of? I need to install that as well since I have had a few stones and tree limbs ding me.
 
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RalphVa said:
Just use your FEL in curled down mode with the teeth down. Raise the front wheels off the ground and steer with your brakes to break up the hard soil. Then smooth it with your rear blade.

Ralph

This is the reason I would be very hesitant about buying a used tractor with a loader on it. I would be afraid someone had been doing something just like this. Even if you don't ruin the rams, imagine the lateral loads you would put on the loader arms and frame if you made even a very gentle turn. It would eventually warp or spring everything out of alignment. Ag utility tractors, and especially CUTs, aren't built for that kind of stress. The job described above would best be done with a chisel plow or subsoiler on the three-point-hitch.
 
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redlevel said:
This is the reason I would be very hesitant about buying a used tractor with a loader on it. I would be afraid someone had been doing something just like this. Even if you don't ruin the rams, imagine the lateral loads you would put on the loader arms and frame if you made even a very gentle turn. It would eventually warp or spring everything out of alignment. Ag utility tractors, and especially CUTs, aren't built for that kind of stress. The job described above would best be done with a chisel plow or subsoiler on the three-point-hitch.

That is actually a really good point. In fact, when I bought my tractor I specifically did not want one with a FEL already attached. I preferred to buy my own and put it on, that way I would know how it had been treated. I think the tractor itself is a little more sturdy than some of the more complicated implements or FEL's. The cool thing now is that if I ever decide to sell my tractor for some reason, I'm going to ask a premium for it saying that I'm a TBN'er, and that's kept me from doing the stuff everyone else does to ruin their equipment! :)

As for the work above, if you have to really get into the ground, the subsoiler or chisel plow would be great. For smaller jobs I'm going to hope that the box blade will get 'er done.
 
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Spiveyman said:
OK, I did do a search and I couldn't find this out there. And please excuse the question if this is rediculous.

I finally found some lift arm pins I could use with an old land pride grater blade that was my grandpa's. It doesn't use the normal draw pins. Anyway, so I wanted to smoothe out a roadway on my farm where it crosses a small creek. There's a culvert there but the mud and rocks above it have baked and hardened into a nasty little rut. Last year was crazy wet, this year's the opposite.

This was my first experience with a grater blade and I wasn't getting much bite because the ground was so hard. I'm going to get a box blade, which will probably better address things like this in the future, but I just added bolt on cutting teeth to my FEL order, so the $460 for the TSC box blade is a little ways out.

I tried messing with the draft lever to see if I could get some pressure from the 3ph on the grater blade, but it seemed to float in all 4 positions. My question, is there a way to get downward force out of my 3ph? I have a Ford 6610 II if that matters. Maybe I don't understand what the draft lever does, but I thought I could get some downward force there. Instead I just made about 14,000 passed and eventually got the roadway smoothed out like I-75. :) OK so maybe that's not a great example around these parts.

As always, thanks for your help.
So as you know what the draft lever does, here is something I posted a while ago for someone else.

Grrrr said:
Position Control is when you can set how high the TPH is. If you put the lever in the middle of it's travel, the TPH goes to the middle of it's movement up and down. You would normally use this for bush hogging or any other job when you need to set the height of the TPH.

Draft Control (The other lever) is for ground engaging attatchments. When you lower the lever, the TPH would normally drop to the floor. If you had a ground engaging attatchment on the TPH, like a plough, when you went to pull it along it would try to pull down deeper. The tractor is able to feel this force, either throught the top link, or lower link sensing (normally only on bigger tractors) and compensates for it by lifting the attatchment. This is a constant process and is always adjusting. By moving the draft lever, you can set how deep you want to attatchment in the ground. It will only work with ground engaging attatchments.

Draft control will not give the TPH downforce whatever position it is in.

Sometimes, you have to have the draft control lever in it's upper or lower most position to use the position control.
 
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redlevel said:
This is the reason I would be very hesitant about buying a used tractor with a loader on it. I would be afraid someone had been doing something just like this. Even if you don't ruin the rams, imagine the lateral loads you would put on the loader arms and frame if you made even a very gentle turn. It would eventually warp or spring everything out of alignment. Ag utility tractors, and especially CUTs, aren't built for that kind of stress. The job described above would best be done with a chisel plow or subsoiler on the three-point-hitch.
I've done it successfully with mine, before I read (here on TBN) about someone damaging their loader doing as I had done. I was lucky and haven't done it since.
 
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Grrrr said:
So as you know what the draft lever does, here is something I posted a while ago for someone else.


Well...... I kind of knew what the draft lever did, but your explanation really helps. Thanks for that tid bit of info. Over the last couple of days I have really advanced my knowledge of how the whole tractor works. It is great to have that knowledge and more confidence in knowing what I'm doing - or at least getting close.


shvl73 said:
I've done it successfully with mine, before I read (here on TBN) about someone damaging their loader doing as I had done. I was lucky and haven't done it since.

:) Tell me about it. I got way lucky (as far as I know). The next time around, when I get my smaller tractor, I'll be a much more dangerous consumer. :D
 

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