Is there anything lower than a thief?

Bob_Skurka · May 18, 2006

what happens if those firearms are used to hurt someone?
So what if? It would be a darn shame as it always is. Are you somehow implying that the victim of the theft becomes acccountable for what the thieves do with the items they steal? 

No different than if someone steals your car and uses it to commit a crime! The owner of the gun/car is not responsible for the future acts committed by a criminal.

Bob_Skurka · May 18, 2006

what happens if those firearms are used to hurt someone?
So what if? It would be a darn shame as it always is. Are you somehow implying that the victim of the theft becomes acccountable for what the thieves do with the items they steal? 

No different than if someone steals your car and uses it to commit a crime! The owner of the gun/car is not responsible for the future acts committed by a criminal.

GaryCrowell · May 18, 2006

I had the same thing happen about five years ago, they got almost all of my guns and quite a bit of other stuff. They caught the thief because he was a moron, he got a 15 year sentence, but it was for another theft. He had a little burglary ring going and had broken into several houses over the last several months. The way he worked was an accomplice who would inform him of valuables and security around a house where he was working (the accomplice worked on a crew installing metal roofs). The thief would hit it a couple of weeks after the roofing guys left. He typically hit places about 40-50 miles from where he lived.

I tried searching the pawn shops also, but none of my guns ever turned up. Guys who do this know how to fence the guns, they're not going to a pawn shop unless they're complete morons.

I'm sorry for your loss, boiling in oil is too good for the garbage that does stuff like this. It did inspire me to buy a gun safe.

GaryCrowell · May 18, 2006

I had the same thing happen about five years ago, they got almost all of my guns and quite a bit of other stuff. They caught the thief because he was a moron, he got a 15 year sentence, but it was for another theft. He had a little burglary ring going and had broken into several houses over the last several months. The way he worked was an accomplice who would inform him of valuables and security around a house where he was working (the accomplice worked on a crew installing metal roofs). The thief would hit it a couple of weeks after the roofing guys left. He typically hit places about 40-50 miles from where he lived.

I tried searching the pawn shops also, but none of my guns ever turned up. Guys who do this know how to fence the guns, they're not going to a pawn shop unless they're complete morons.

I'm sorry for your loss, boiling in oil is too good for the garbage that does stuff like this. It did inspire me to buy a gun safe.

Sigarms · May 18, 2006

The "legal owner" of any stolen firearm has no responsibility of what may happen with said stolen guns in the "wrong hands" of a criminal.

Bob, I agree with the car analogy (sp?), however when I park my car, I don't leave the keys in the ignition, doors unlocked and engine running.

All about precaution (sp?)

A firearm deserves that respect.

My point is as a firearm (gun) owner, you have a responsibility to both yourself and members in your community by having the "right" to own firearms (yes, only my opinion).

To have firearms easily available in any home WITHOUT at least "securing" them when the owner of the home is not at the house is irresponsible (sp?) (again, my opinion).

I don't care what you may feel, but for myself, if I left guns readily available in my house and they were stolen, and actually used in a crime where someone may be injured or killed, well, it would be hard to deal/live with (particularly if someone was killed).

Thus the reason why I have a gun safe.

And yes, someone "good enough" may be able to get in that safe in due time, but I took the time and effort to secure them.

I also have EVERY gun photographed with serial number on file.

Per the first post, this (stealing of firearms and jewlery) had happen to other people in the community before this incident.

Yet another reason to make sure your firearms are secure.

Sigarms · May 18, 2006

The "legal owner" of any stolen firearm has no responsibility of what may happen with said stolen guns in the "wrong hands" of a criminal.

Bob, I agree with the car analogy (sp?), however when I park my car, I don't leave the keys in the ignition, doors unlocked and engine running.

All about precaution (sp?)

A firearm deserves that respect.

My point is as a firearm (gun) owner, you have a responsibility to both yourself and members in your community by having the "right" to own firearms (yes, only my opinion).

To have firearms easily available in any home WITHOUT at least "securing" them when the owner of the home is not at the house is irresponsible (sp?) (again, my opinion).

I don't care what you may feel, but for myself, if I left guns readily available in my house and they were stolen, and actually used in a crime where someone may be injured or killed, well, it would be hard to deal/live with (particularly if someone was killed).

Thus the reason why I have a gun safe.

And yes, someone "good enough" may be able to get in that safe in due time, but I took the time and effort to secure them.

I also have EVERY gun photographed with serial number on file.

Per the first post, this (stealing of firearms and jewlery) had happen to other people in the community before this incident.

Yet another reason to make sure your firearms are secure.

riptides · May 18, 2006

Unfortunate.

The really sad part is that if someone wants something bad enough, no measure of safe/secure storeage will prevent them from attempting to get it.

Be glad they didn't burn your house down as they left, for such is the mentality of some people today.

Also, fortunate that your familly was not home at the time.

You and yours are safe, and some material things are gone that can be replaced. Look at that side of your story and don't dwell on the bad.

Better times for you are ahead.

-Mike Z.

riptides · May 18, 2006

Unfortunate.

The really sad part is that if someone wants something bad enough, no measure of safe/secure storeage will prevent them from attempting to get it.

Be glad they didn't burn your house down as they left, for such is the mentality of some people today.

Also, fortunate that your familly was not home at the time.

You and yours are safe, and some material things are gone that can be replaced. Look at that side of your story and don't dwell on the bad.

Better times for you are ahead.

-Mike Z.

LMTC · May 18, 2006

( I don't care what you may feel, but for myself, if I left guns readily available in my house and they were stolen, and actually used in a crime where someone may be injured or killed, well, it would be hard to deal/live with (particularly if someone was killed). ) Then do as you choose, but don't place that expectation on others. You have your opinion, and I have mine. In his house is just fine in my opinion. ALL, as in every little bit, of the responsibility for the stealing and any subsequent misuse is on the thieves.

Leaving them in the house is irresponsible only because you say so. Why is anyone responsible for preventing someone else from doing something wrong?

Your car analogy is over the top. It might be valid if he laid them out in his front yard. Having them in the house is not the equivalent of ( keys in the ignition, doors unlocked and engine running.)

LMTC · May 18, 2006

( I don't care what you may feel, but for myself, if I left guns readily available in my house and they were stolen, and actually used in a crime where someone may be injured or killed, well, it would be hard to deal/live with (particularly if someone was killed). ) Then do as you choose, but don't place that expectation on others. You have your opinion, and I have mine. In his house is just fine in my opinion. ALL, as in every little bit, of the responsibility for the stealing and any subsequent misuse is on the thieves.

Leaving them in the house is irresponsible only because you say so. Why is anyone responsible for preventing someone else from doing something wrong?

Your car analogy is over the top. It might be valid if he laid them out in his front yard. Having them in the house is not the equivalent of ( keys in the ignition, doors unlocked and engine running.)