If you tell the dealer something that's not true, that'd make you a piece of shiet, don't you think?
Sure it would!
That don't mean I expect the dealer to take a loss on the tractor. I'm simply trying to find out what I can get for my hard earned money. If I want to give money away, I'll give it to my Mom. She needs it more than a tractor dealer. That said; I know he won't take a loss.
I had a friend that was a used car salesman, and I've heard him bragg about cleaning the customers clock. I've also had salesmen show me an invoice, claiming that's what they paid for the item in question. Trying to prove they were selling it, to me, for less than they paid for it. Once I began to question them about their invoice, they actually admitted that they don't pay the full invoice. It's simply used as a sales gimmick.
Granted, it would be nice if everyone gave you the straight dope, but that's not gonna happen. Most dealers mark up around 20 to 30%, or more. That's for tractors, cars, or anything else you buy. This also helps cover a trade in. In other words, it makes it look like they're giving you a good price on your used item.
I've actually called the old owners, of used cars I've bought, to check on any problems. The first question they ask me is "what are they asking for my old car". When I tell them the bottom dollar, they can't believe it; because they say I'm getting it for less than they were given on their trade. Thousands less! Simply put, the dealer made them think they were getting a good price for their trade-in; but the dealer had actually marked the new one up in order to give the trade-in away, for chicken feed. Now, who do you think felt like a piece of shiet?
I went and looked at a Kubota, and got the price down more than two thousand dollars - within just a few minutes. He was also willing to throw in a free tooth bar for the FEL, free thumb for the BH, load the rear tires for free, and throw in a free Box Scraper. Simply because I had looked at the same model Kubota on the other side of town. I didn't even tell him what the other guy was asking. He asked, but I wouldn't tell him. He simply knew what was possible. Do I think he was selling it for a loss? Absolutly not.
Yeah; I'm a piece of shiet!